Got a quick question for you. I just read the issue Gold in book three yesterday and was very impressed with the background art. Is there any chance we could see some of penciled work? I'm curious as to how the work was broken down between yourself and the colorist.
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Eroom Nala
Member posted September 22, 2002 10:57 PM
Hiya JHW
hope your house moving goes well.
Just one question to start off with. I'll post a lot more later when you're back on board.
Issue 12 Card XXI
What's your source fot the AC Dying pencil sketch by Lady Freda Harris November 30th, 1947.
Quoting from Lawrence Sutin's recent biography Do What Thou Wilt:
Crowley died on December 1, 1947 from myocardial degeneration coupled with severe bronchitis.....John symonds recorded that "Frieda Harris told me that Crowley died unhappily and fearfully. She held his twitching hands while the tears flowed down his cheeks. 'I'm perplexed' he said. She was not with him at the very end.
.....but As one might expect there are different accounts of Crowley's last words and moments.
According to [Patricia] McAlpine Frieda Harris had not come to visit at the end, and there had been no scenes of weeping.
pgs. 417 & 418.
I've tried trawling through the net but haven't been able to find much about Freda Harris or her pencil sketch
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Eroom Nala
Member posted September 29, 2002 11:43 PM
Heya JHW
don't worry about that last question of mine. Jose Villarubia already answered it by quoting from an Alan Moore interview in Blather.
A different question this time.
Issue #21 who are the faces of the other members of the powerhouse, benevolent adepts, illuminati floating behind John Dee on pgs 8-9 middle panel?
I think one might be Crowley and another Austin Spare but not sure about the others
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Eroom Nala
Member posted October 01, 2002 08:30 PM
Another question awaiting your imminent return.
Is Roger from the 5 Swell Guys a transsexual? I'd always assumed that the original Roger had been killed and then replaced by a woman but someone else on these boards referred to her as a transsexual.
The way you draw her she certainly looks like a woman and I thought transsexuals still had faces that looked male. But then again my knowledge of transsexuals is limited to media report and some Brian de Palma films.
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Eroom Nala
Member posted October 01, 2002 08:32 PM
PS one last question.
Is the Night Queen referred to at various times in the text at all related to the Queen of the Night from Mozart's Magic Flute?
Will we ever get to see her or is she just an offstage presence throughout the series?
vorlon
Member posted October 02, 2002 01:12 PM
While your Roger question isn't addressed to me, it is answered in Promethea.
Roger is an unwilling transsexual, who was turned into a woman during a 5SG adventure.
The closest thing I have found to a reference is Ish #7 and Bob's reference to "Suffragette City".
Bill confirms that much in #8 just after the "Dolly Demon" bit.
In #11, Bob and Roger pass a picture of the 5SG with a male (and red-haired) Roger in it.
Eroom Nala
Member posted October 02, 2002 07:20 PM
Hiya Vorlon,
are there any more details about his sex change anywhere apart from the ones you've just mentioned?
What was the suffragette city episode. ie what actually happened. Did someone magically transform him ?
If so he's not really a transexual. Maybe it's like that Star Trek character who each time he or she is about to die can regraft him or herself into another body of any sex which really means (s)he's androgenous.
I thought a transexual was someone who used to be a man (or woman) physically and then is transformed into a member of the opposite sex using surgery. Therefore if he was transformed using magic (s)he's not really a transexual in the strict sense of the definiton
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Originally posted by vorlon:
While your Roger question isn't addressed to me, it is answered in Promethea.
Roger is an unwilling transsexual, who was turned into a woman during a 5SG adventure.
The closest thing I have found to a reference is Ish #7 and Bob's reference to "Suffragette City".
Bill confirms that much in #8 just after the "Dolly Demon" bit.
In #11, Bob and Roger pass a picture of the 5SG with a male (and red-haired) Roger in it.
vorlon
Member posted October 03, 2002 01:49 PM
I don't have any more continuity for you, sorry. It's laid between the lines as Moore is wont to do.
My entirely subjective impression is a "magic" transformation. that is, Roger wasn't surgically changed, he was gender-bent, by either magical or technological means. It'd be interesting to study his DNA to see if he's still male on that level.
I'd tend to rule a surgical transformation anyway. You'd probably need an industrial laser to do surgery on Roger. She jumps on grenades and comes away without a cut or scratch, just reduced halfway to her Comics Code (tm) Invulverable Underwear.
As an interesting side note, for a being as invulnerable as Roger, a bra is primarily a courtesy to the guys he works with and perhaps to keep distractions to a minimum. Logically speaking, even with no support Roger will be pert and perky into her 60's or 70's. This would be true of any transhuman femme in comics.
Peirigill
Member posted October 03, 2002 03:51 PM
Ooh, murky waters here. "Transexual" is even harder to pin down than "bisexual."
"Transgendered" is a very broad term which means that gender categories have been blurred or broken. It's primarily used to refer to transexuals, drag queens and drag kings, but can also meaningfully apply to homosexuality, bisexuality, and other things. There is a straight man in my gay men's chorus; in a way, he's being transgendered.
"Transexual" (or "transsexual," depending who you ask) raises the distinction between gender identity and anatomical gender. Your anatomical gender may be male, and yet you see yourself as female - a "woman trapped in a man's body." Gender reassignment surgery (a sex-change operation) is often the solution, but sometimes not; there are people who are biologically one sex, but pass for the other, without ever having surgery. You might call either kind of person "transexual," one for having changed anatomy, and the other for breaking social convention, although "transgendered" would be a more accurate term.
(And while we're here, I should mention that determining someone's anatomical gender is not always as straightforward as you might think. There's a condition called androgen insensitivity, which causes the delay of ANY visible male sexual development until puberty, so that the poor kid spends his childhood as a girl, and then abruptly develops male genitalia at puberty. Yipes. Even chromosomes, in rare cases, aren't a reliable marker of gender. Funny world we live in, huh? No category is without exceptions.)
So Roger was, I suppose, a good ol' straight male, whose anatomy was abruptly altered. In his mind, he's still a male, and a straight one at that; not a woman, not a lesbian. His body is at odds with his self-image, and that's what makes him transexual. Were he to revert to his former manly lineaments, he would no longer be transexual.
What I'd like to know is whether Roger ever pursues women. He's clearly uncomfortable with his body; is he capable of experiencing pleasure from it? It's a chestnut of virtual reality science fiction that straight men would enjoy exploring a woman's body if they were to temporarily inhabit one. Roger doesn't seem to.
If not, it would explain a lot of his irritability. Even swell guys need lovin'... ... even if they can't become swollen guys anymore.
Eroom Nala
Member posted October 03, 2002 06:46 PM
In one of Rudy Rucke's novels (I forget which one now I think it might be either Master of Space and Time or The Secret of Life) his main mail protagonist manages to have one of his wishes come true and he turns into a Marilyn Monroe type woman for a short period of time. One of his male friends who knows about the change calls him a homo.
It reminds me of Stacia who keeps calling Sophie a Lesbo when she's the one who eventually has a relationship with Grace Brannagh's Promethea.
Thanks for the explanation on terminology of transexual etc
Eroom Nala
Member posted October 04, 2002 02:05 AM
Whoops sorry that should be Rudy Rucker with an r at the end
JHW3!
Member posted October 06, 2002 05:05 PM
hey there aronc
the work in the gold issue was done with fully rendered pencils. when i say renderd i mean that i fully placed in all of the shadows and graytone shadows as well. so the pencils look like very much finished, almost like painting but with pencil. then the figures of promethea , barbara, and boo boo were drawn like normal comic book styles of drawing and then inked so that they would look pretty much as we've become accustomed to seeing them. then all of it was colored digitally by jeromy. he treated the figures of our heroes like he normally does but digitally painted everything else using my fully renderd pencils as a map or guide for shadows and light source. a lot of work as you can imagine but the results were very nice. maybe in the future at some point i might do an entire graphic novel or something in this fashion. this look had a very unique and distinctive feel to it that i liked.
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JHW3!
Member posted October 06, 2002 05:12 PM
hey there eroom
the illuminati adepts on that scene of issue 21 are crowley, spare, william blake, and the others are unknown to history.
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Stately Wayne Manor
Member posted October 07, 2002 01:12 PM
welcome back, JHW!
I've been wondering about the excellent art in the latest issue, #22 to be precise...can you give a description of how the unusual look of the Sophie/Babs scenes were acheived?
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vorlon
Member posted October 07, 2002 01:14 PM
...so Crowley is just about everywhere.
Crowley is everywhere
Crolwey is everything
Crowley is everybody
Crowley is still the King...
sorry, couldn't reist.
Eroom Nala
Member posted October 07, 2002 05:48 PM
Good to have you back JH
Could one of the unknown to history adepts be Carlos Castaneda's Don Juan?
Just a thought
Which one is WB and is the one with antlers on his head an ancient shaman?
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Originally posted by JHW3!:
hey there eroom
the illuminati adepts on that scene of issue 21 are crowley, spare, william blake, and the others are unknown to history.
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Eroom Nala
Member posted October 07, 2002 05:58 PM
I thought Elvis was still the king
Take your pick Costello or Presley
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Crowley is still the King...
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KOBE27
Member posted October 09, 2002 09:01 PM
In http://news.wizardworld.com/Comics/CB092502-Alan.asp
Moore says he will retire from mainstream comics (i.e. the ABC line) within 15 to 24 months.
Do you know if he intends to finish up Promethea by then or will he leave it for others?
Some have already proposed your name as writer succesor
JHW3!
Member posted October 15, 2002 03:27 PM
hey there stately
the art for 22 was done by first by outlining the figures of sophie and barbara with a fine line of ink. then i proceded to paint in all of the tones and colors using copic gray tones and color tones and color pencils and acrylic paint. all of the backgrounds were done in the same way only without using any outlining. the pages toward the end were done in gray tone first then i took prismacolor pencil and roughed in the colors. then blended them into more solid tones with a copic clear blender. there will be some pages in issue 24 done in this way as well but with a lot more color. i like using the blended color pencils instead of all paint because it creates a unusual texture. it has the slightest hint of grittiness. anyway it is all mixed media.
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JHW3!
Member posted October 15, 2002 03:32 PM
hey there eroom
blake is one the floating on our right with silver gray hair. yes the one with antlers is an unknown shaman.
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JHW3!
Member posted October 15, 2002 03:40 PM
hey kobe27
whenever alan does stop writing mainstream comics for awhile i doubt that he will want to leave promethea just hanging. he will have said all he has to say about the character at the time i'm sure. me taking over the writing side of promethea is intriguing but i don't know if i have as full of a grasp on the magic stuff as alan. i would be more interested in exploring some of side characters in greater detail depending on how the series progresses from here. i do think that just about all of the side characters have the potential to play leading roles in some stories of their own.
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Eroom Nala
Member posted October 15, 2002 06:40 PM
Whoops I posted this question in the wrong place by mistake. Here it is in the proper place
SELFQUOTE
I'm probably getting a bit ahead of myself as the issue hasn't been published yet but what is the source of the image that looks like a comibnation of an atom and a spirograph in Issue #23 second preview page.
http://www.angelfire.com/comics/eroomnala/23.html
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Eroom Nala
Member posted October 15, 2002 06:44 PM
I was thinking of adding a silly note about the shaman to the effect that No he is not the Head of the Knights of Ni from Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Perhaps not
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Originally posted by JHW3!:
hey there eroom
blake is one the floating on our right with silver gray hair. yes the one with antlers is an unknown shaman.
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Stately Wayne Manor
Member posted October 15, 2002 09:27 PM
quote:
Originally posted by JHW3!:
hey there stately
the art for 22 was done by first by outlining the figures of sophie and barbara with a fine line of ink. then i proceded to paint in all of the tones and colors using copic gray tones and color tones and color pencils and acrylic paint. all of the backgrounds were done in the same way only without using any outlining. the pages toward the end were done in gray tone first then i took prismacolor pencil and roughed in the colors. then blended them into more solid tones with a copic clear blender. there will be some pages in issue 24 done in this way as well but with a lot more color. i like using the blended color pencils instead of all paint because it creates a unusual texture. it has the slightest hint of grittiness. anyway it is all mixed media.
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Thanks, JHW. For what's it's worth, it was certainly worth the effort! I use Prismacolors fairly often myself. I don't think I've heard of a "copic color blender" though...can you mix a dacquiri with it?
vorlon
Member posted October 16, 2002 01:04 PM
I don't meant to be rude, but I am trying to avoid #23 spoilers. Could we please keep that stuff at the appropriate topic thread?
Sorry but I don't think I really did much spoiling. If you didn't want 23 spoiled then you just don't click on the link I put at the end of my question.
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Originally posted by vorlon:
I don't meant to be rude, but I am trying to avoid #23 spoilers. Could we please keep that stuff at the appropriate topic thread?
Eroom Nala
Member posted October 16, 2002 05:19 PM
Do red balloons have some sort of special significance for Alan Moore?
Does the red balloon that Crowley as the fool in #22 holds mean something?
And is it in any way related to the red balloon being held by the smouldering corpse on the cover of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Vol 2 Issue #2?
Bavarian
Member posted October 16, 2002 07:50 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Eroom Nala:
[B]Do red balloons have some sort of special significance for Alan Moore?
Isn't there a child with a balloon in Fritz Lang's "M"? But the movie is in black and white.
Or maybe it's an childhood remembrance of Moore.
Eroom Nala
Member posted October 16, 2002 07:57 PM
You're right but I'm not sure what color it is either?
Will have to watch the film again or read the script to see if someone refers to it being red.
From what I remember when the child goes missing we know Peter Lorre has killed her because her balloon is caught in some telegraph wires.
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Originally posted by Bavarian:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Eroom Nala:
[B]Do red balloons have some sort of special significance for Alan Moore?
Isn't there a child with a balloon in Fritz Lang's "M"? But the movie is in black and white.
Or maybe it's an childhood remembrance of Moore.
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Eroom Nala
Member posted October 16, 2002 08:01 PM
Here's a page with picture from the movie inclduing the balloon caught in telegraph wires
http://www.mninter.net/~babaloo/mlorre.htm
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LeGuy
New Member posted October 17, 2002 08:00 AM
quote:
Originally posted by JHW3!:
i would be more interested in exploring some of side characters in greater detail depending on how the series progresses from here. i do think that just about all of the side characters have the potential to play leading roles in some stories of their own.
Oh yeah, that would be great! Maybe we can hope for some mini-series or one-shots about side characters after the ending of Alan's "normal" series?
Wile E Coyote
New Member posted October 17, 2002 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by LeGuy:
Oh yeah, that would be great! Maybe we can hope for some mini-series or one-shots about side characters after the ending of Alan's "normal" series?
Eroom Nala
Member posted October 17, 2002 08:48 PM
Red Balloons
I just remembered there's a short film made in 1956 in France called the Red Balloon or
Le Ballon Rouge http://us.imdb.com/Title?0048980
Here's the story http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~ecl/html/red.html
Most of French director Albert Lamorisse's films celebrate the miracle of flight, but few were as landmark as his 1956 short subject The Red Balloon. The story, told without dialogue, concerns a little boy (played by the director's son Pascal) who comes across a helium-filled balloon. As he plays with his new acquisition, the boy discovers that the balloon seemingly has a mind of its own. The little red orb follows its new "master" all through the streets of Paris, then dogs the boy's trail into the schoolroom, which drives the teacher to comic distraction. Towards the end, it seems as though boy and balloon will be parted forever....but director Lamorisse has a delightful surprise in store for us. In an unusual move, The Red Balloon in its American TV premiere was introduced by Ronald Reagan as an episode of the CBS anthology G.E. Theater on April 2, 1961
Wow exactly one year before I was born. How's that for coincidence.
Here's a nice review of the film http://www.largesock.com/writing/wredball.html
Maybe this is what Alan Moore is referring to with red balloons
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Originally posted by Bavarian:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Eroom Nala:
[B]Do red balloons have some sort of special significance for Alan Moore?
Isn't there a child with a balloon in Fritz Lang's "M"? But the movie is in black and white.
Or maybe it's an childhood remembrance of Moore.
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Eroom Nala
Member posted October 17, 2002 10:44 PM
Issue #20
pages 12-13 the mauve hole
There's a sword like creature shown here. Are there supposed to be similar creatures representing wands, cups and pentacles?
Can you name the original ideas for some of the creatures here?
To me some look like a cross between a cockroach and a bettle, a stingray, snake, an eyeball some weird sort of squid etc etc
Hope looking back at your artwork doesn't make you feel ill again like you were when you were drawing it for the firs time
vorlon
Member posted October 19, 2002 02:47 PM
I'd swear there's a flying sex oragn in there. Possibly more, but at least one.
Eroom Nala
Member posted October 21, 2002 12:20 AM
Which ones? Color description.
I can't see any myself. except maybe the strange green bug crawling out of the mauve hole right hand side.
maybe you've just got sex on the brain
PS to previous question posted
Queen of the Night or Night Queen.
could this refer to Lilith (Adam's first wife)
see http://cadre.sjsu.edu/art101b/s97/Sandy/Vampire.html
"Tis but thine eye alone is changed with comprehension" - Dr. Dee
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Originally posted by vorlon:
I'd swear there's a flying sex oragn in there. Possibly more, but at least one.
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vorlon
Member posted October 21, 2002 02:39 PM
Yes, it's the lower-right green and blue thing. And it's been circumsized.
It could also be that I have sex on the brain. The two are not exclusive.
I also see is a blue gun next to the yellow sword. the grip passes in front of the sword.
The light blue thing below that reminds me of a moray eel, ut I'd ant to check it against an actual eel.
The eel's tail rens in front of what has be be modeled after an eye.
The blue thing above the eye sure looks embryonic.
On the page where we have barbara and Sophie, I see a dark green, legless alligator
And a purple-pink something that looks like an anti-pushmepullyou. I can't decide if it's the back-ends of two or three creatrues stuck together.
As for the rest, you've got me.
IP: Logged
Eroom Nala
Member posted October 21, 2002 08:31 PM
I couldn't afford them myself but what's happened to the 9 paintings you did for the backgrounds and the cover of Issue #19?
Have they been sold to a collector or do you still have them.
Was it fun to do paintings instead of just normal illustrations for a comic?
Would you like to describe the technique you used at all?
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Eroom Nala
Member posted October 22, 2002 01:49 AM
Issue #19
Page 1
Panel 2
we get to see the bottom half of a painting. Looks like a native in loin cloth holding a sword or sling standing above some bushes.
Is this David about to slay Goliath or ?????
or is it some famous painting or just a bit of added art with no real significance?
JHW3!
Member posted October 23, 2002 11:40 PM
hey there eroom
i'm not quite sure what the red balloon signifies. perhaps it means the apocaplyse?
the creatures in issue 20 are just whatever weird idea popped into my head at the time. maybe they have some of subliminal meaning to whomever looks upon them.
the painting you refer to in issue 19 page 1 is just a random piece of art.
some of the pages from issue 19 are for sale. the title splash page mysteriously disappeared from the wildstorm office and has yet to be returned. i kept the poseidon page for myself. the cover was purchased before publication. if anyone is interested in a complete list of what i have available for sale email at lazypalm@elite.net
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Eroom Nala
Member posted October 24, 2002 07:07 PM
Thanks JH,
is the artist who inspired the front cover of Issue #23 Alphone Mucha? http://www.bpib.com/illustrat/mucha.htm
What is it with Alan Moore and stick figures?
Is he trying to duplicate some of the visuals from Promethea and LoEG Vol #2? Red balloons, stick figures, what next.
Love the first four pages of #23 by the way.
Sorry Vorlon but I don't think writing about stick figures gives away much of the content of #23.
JHW3!
Member posted October 26, 2002 12:13 AM
hey there
yes the very same mucha. he is one of my all time favorites.
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Eroom Nala
Member posted October 27, 2002 03:43 PM
Just as I thought even the cheapest prices are too expensive for me especially with the Aussie dollar doing so badly against the American one but it's nice to know what pirces comic book art fetches. Maybe I'll splurge and try to get myself one for Xmas or sometime next year but I'd have to really save up for it.
I'm sure someone like Suffering Sapho or rather Wonderwoman who runs the Suffering Sappho website would be interested in your 6 pages of statue designs.
You don't have any sketches that didn't make it into a final comic going for cheaper prices anywhere do you.
I shudder to think the guy who bought the complete artwork for Issue #15 must have paid. Which reminds me a couple of questions. Issue 15 page 18 panel 2. I can recognize most of the Enochian or Angelic letter hovering around Dee's head but what's the one that looks like an upside down A?
Issue 14 page 21 top half of panel. Are Alan Moore and you both left handed?
Love the first four pages of Issue #23. Can't wait to see the rest of this issue on Wednesday
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Eroom Nala
Member posted October 28, 2002 03:21 AM
Issue 19 Pages 12-13 are those horses or unicorns?
JDC
Member posted October 29, 2002 01:01 AM
J.H., what work are your doing for Verotik? I saw samples of in this news article. Can you provide any more detail about this?
grant-is-god
Member posted October 30, 2002 03:37 PM
Hi JH,
I just started reading through all these posts and come across one that I have a question about. You said that you and Alan have ownership of Promethea. I did some looking online and I found that the copyright for the character has Warner as the owner. Whats with this?
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Eroom Nala
Member posted October 31, 2002 05:38 PM
Some questions about Issue #23
Love the whole look of this issue especially going from white and gold back to the cosmos and reality.
On pages 16-17 the first truly coloured pages.
Turning pg. 16 upside down you can clearly see an X-ray of someone sitting on a chair but towards his left is something I can't make out. Looks like a more closer shot of an X-ray to me. Is deciphering who this person is important and what does it mean or is it just meaningless?
Good Sophie quote
"It's beautiful. And everything's just what it is, without having to mean something/"
Page 17 you can see some sort of map with the letters AIE or ALE and RS clearly visible. What is the source of this map and is it at all important to what's going on.
Any clues as to who the old lady feeding birds in the park really is and is that Spider about to eat a Promethea moth on pg 26? It seems to be a repeat of one of the numerous god bubbles(circles) on pg 13 (innermost visible circles between 4-5 if it were a clockface).
I'm guessing the bald headed buy in one of the more outer bubbles is someone addressing an alcoholics anonymous meeting and not Crowley at his A A.
Oh and on the bigger bubble going of the page left hand side is that supposed to be Borges looking at his Aleph? Is the one to the right of this some famous photo reproduced or just a random image?( Woman opening her coat to reveal a T-shirt image.)
Is that the pigeon-feeding woman from the park holding hands with her husband in front of a park bench?
It's great how you always managed to cover up Steve Shelley's naughty bits with shadows and hands distance etc.
Congratulations on getting 10 out of 10 for this issues rating from the Fourth Rail review. http://www.thefourthrail.com/reviews/critiques/102802/promethea23.shtml
Now I wonder what you can do to try and top this issue in #24
Eroom Nala
Member posted October 31, 2002 05:40 PM
JHW3!
Member posted November 10, 2002 03:11 PM
hey there eroom
yes those are unicorns in issue 19. i painted in their horns in a vague manner to suggest that unicorns don't have physical horns. that the horn itself is of a spritual significance. the other reason i did it that way is to avoid the look of bad cheesy unicorn paintings.
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JHW3!
Member posted November 10, 2002 03:19 PM
hey there jdc
the pages i have done for verotik are featuring a character created by glenn danzig called the inquisitor. i did 5 pages for this. i inked all in a wide variety of styles. very interesting and fun to do. look for it sometime in december. i believe that is when it is supposed to hit the shelves.
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hey there grant-is-god
when i referred to ownership of the characters i was talking about co-ownership. dc comics-warner do have copywright ownership. but alan and i own equity in these characters. therefore any sort of material that would appear such as other comics or merchandise or film liscencing alan and i will receive credit and a portion of all profits.
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JHW3!
Member posted November 10, 2002 03:56 PM
hey there eroom
the cosmic dive down the tree of life was a tricky thing to pull off. most of the fx were done through digital means by jeromy. i just asked him to go crazy with the space back drop. so all of that strange cosmic stuff is things he thought to put in there. they don't have any particular meaning to the story but they might mean something to jeromy. where and why he culled these particular images in the space backdrop you will have ask him some time.
the old lady in the park is from the backgrounds of issue 13 in the park scene there. the same old woman who appears in the immateria as winged sphinx.
the spider and the moth really has no signficance. it was just something i through in there.
the couple kissing at the park entrance are the same couple/lovers from issue 13's park scene. only here the woman is now visably pregnant.
yes that is a man addressing others at a podium for an alcoholics anonymous meeting.
yes that is borges.
the woman opening her coat is not of a famous photo. but she is actually wired with plastique explosives and about to become a suicide bomber. sorry this wasn't more clear due to all of the white and gold coloring. however the bubble with the man being shot in the head is of a famous photo from the vietnam war i believe. and the bubble below that is of my cat sammy who loves to sleep.
we are so glad that you liked the issue so much. thanks for the kind words. hopefully 24 will please just as much.
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Eroom Nala
Member posted November 10, 2002 04:16 PM
Thanks for answering my questions so well.
Where is the best place to contact jeromy. does he appear on these message boards at all?
I was wondering why she was opening up her coat and whether it was significant. Your cat looks as relaxed as my two cats usually do on sunny days in the backyard.
Check my annotations. I've placed a copy of that famous photo of the man being shot in the head there. http://www.angelfire.com/comics/eroomnala/23.html
Looking forward to #24 but since it's out on Boxing Day there'll probably be some sort of delay getting it to Australia.
11/11/02 Remembrance Day.
the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month
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the Affirmative
Member posted November 11, 2002 12:18 AM
Oh, and by the way, thanks, JHW3, for your part in Promethea issue 23. It was really wonderful to be involved with the message, even just as a reader.
vorlon
Member posted November 13, 2002 03:14 PM
As we look down the Tree, we see the incarnation/principle characters of each Sepiroth looking out of it. JWH3, that's Choronzon at Daath, right? Or is that the Abyss?
vorlon
Member posted November 13, 2002 03:20 PM
One technical quibble: When everybody begins the flight down the Tree, the second splash page shows paths from Tippereth going out into space, rather than connecting to Chokmah and Binah.
It looks so good it too me a week to notice.
Eroom Nala
Member posted November 13, 2002 08:43 PM
I hadn't noticed till you pointed it out either.
I assume it was done for aesthetic reasons. If the paths connected to Chokmah and Binah then it would have been hard to draw them without having them cross across Geburah and Chesed along the way in the manner the page is set out.
Also to make it look like Kether was an important sephiroth which wouldn't be so obvious if it only looked like one path pointed to it.
JHW3!
Member posted November 15, 2002 10:48 PM
hey there eroom and vorlon
about the paths on the tree of life depictions seen in issue 23... the paths are actually correct its just that we are seeing the tree here in 3 dimensions and not as a diagram. it is also at a tilt for a vertigo like effect. if you look at the first spread that it appears on in its whole and tilt the page this becomes more apparent. as the pages move forward the characters get closer and closer to their malkuth destination making it seem like the pathways are going off into space (which in fact they are) but out to the correct spheres that have moved off page due to our closing on the final destination as we moved forward/downward. hope that makes sense.
vorlon...daath on this version of the tree of life is indeed partly choronzon and partly black hole.
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vorlon
Member posted November 16, 2002 02:37 PM
Does the "black hole" aspect of Daath include the Abyss? I'm trying to reconcile the Tree in #23 with the Tree as subway-mapped in #14, where all Tarot paths to the 3 God-speres cross a riverlike Abyss and the absence of a correponding Abyss in #23.
Eroom Nala
Member posted November 17, 2002 07:54 PM
I originally posted this question in Issue #23 posts but you probably missed it there. Anyway here it is again.
Just me being a nitpicker once again.
Heres'a question for JHW3
in issue #23 page 30 panels 2-5. Why does the bottle of Kick Ass Whiskey seem to change shape in Panel 4? On the other panels it seems to be a sort of Pyramid type shape but in 4 it looks more like a regular rectangular shaped bottle. Or is it just a matter of perspective.
vorlon
Member posted November 22, 2002 10:02 AM
One other bit of minutiae for your page, and JWH3, check me if I'm wrong:
Sophie's hair is longer, by about two inches. I assume that roughly corresponds to the amount of time she was gone.
Life goes on indeed.
JHW3!
Member posted November 23, 2002 04:05 PM
hey there vorlon
this blackhole idea of an imploded sphere or planet or imploded plane of consciousness or whatever you choose to describe it is indeed daath. to me the abyss is the edge of daath. from some of the diagrams i have of the tree of life daath and therefore the abyss fall along the central path that runs up the middle of the tree placing it between, going upwards, tipereth and kether. this is according to some of what i've looked at in the book of thoth by crowley.
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JHW3!
Member posted November 23, 2002 04:08 PM
hey there eroom
the kick ass whiskey bottle does indeed change shape. i did that to try to emphasize trish's drinking problem but obviously no one got that. oh well.
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JHW3!
Member posted November 23, 2002 04:17 PM
hey there vorlon
you are absolutely right. sophie's hair is longer now. i felt there needed to be something differentabout her now that she has returned all the way from heaven. something to make her seem a little more mature and wiser. the longer hair seems bring out those aspects. interesting how the slightest change in someone's appearance can alter a perception of them. sophie has learned a great deal of things and this is one way of showing her inner change by changing her outward appearance slightly.
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Eroom Nala
Member posted November 24, 2002 07:22 PM
Thanks JHW
I'm starting to annotate Issue #14 in detail. Could you name some of the unnamed spectres on the houseboat seen on pgs. 6-7. Eg who's that drinking cocktails with Medusa, the naked man, who's drinking with Sherlock Holmes, who's the girl with the legs that Pan's talking to etc etc
Pg 11 is that Cleopatra that Cyrano de Bergerac is sitting with and who are the 3 roman types behind them, the lovers on pg 12, the Queen Elizabeth I look alike, the guy with the glasses walking off frame on pg. 20 and who is the lady with Arabic writing on her back seen on pg 22 staring at her hand with her ghostlike figure reflected behind her? Is the big head statue in the ground anyone in particular?
Hope you can help
Eroom Nala
Member posted November 26, 2002 08:26 PM
Issue #13 page 23 panel 2
Even though the musical notes aren't placed on a stave I'm guessing that the tune Charon is whistling to himself is the Death March by Chopin.
"http://www.ringtones4all.com/midi/064.mid"
downloadable from http://www.ringtones4all.com/menu/misc.htm
Am I right?
Mystikko
New Member posted November 26, 2002 09:52 PM
Thank you JHW for stunning artwork in Promethea.
I am big fan of your works. Here in Finland(not too far from Russian border) it ainīt too easy to collect ABC-comics, but so far their allways been a worth of hunting!
Thank you again!
yours,
mystikko
grant-is-god
Member posted December 05, 2002 03:54 AM
Hey JH,
I just got around to reading you answer to my question. I just wanted to thank you for taking some time out and answering my question for me.
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Eroom Nala
Member posted December 11, 2002 06:49 PM
Hiya JHW
I'm starting to properly annotate Issue #10. Is the poster on the wall above the bed seen on page 1 panel 1 anything famous?
Eroom Nala
Member posted December 12, 2002 11:10 PM
Issue 11 Page 1 Panel 1
Did you have a source for the High Five orbiting station or did you just make it up?
JHW3!
Member posted December 15, 2002 03:05 PM
hey there eroom
i do apologize that i haven't been present here to answer anything of late. its been hectic around here trying to get work done and deal with the holidays as well.
some of the shades on the house boat and elsewhere are made up unknown individuals and some are more famous. the woman that seems to be flirting with pan is no one in particular. just a woman who is intrigued by his beastly nature.
a couple that you haven't guessed at are shakespeare, napoleon. but a lot of them are random people from various periods of time. just regular people who have since passed away.
the woman at the end of the issue in blue with a ghost like image of herself in orange but facing the opposite direction is my sister-in-law. at the time she was facing a major change in her life and here i wanted to depict her deciding which direction to take in her life, stay in the shadows or move towards illumination.
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JHW3!
Member posted December 15, 2002 03:14 PM
hey eroom
issue 10 pages 1 thru 3 those are prints of some of austin spares artwork.
issue 11 the design of the HI 5 space station is made up but i did want it to look like something that was low tech enough to be kind of believable
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strafenkinder
Member posted December 15, 2002 10:26 PM
I would like to ask if you have new comic-related and non-Promethea projects coming up?
I wish you'd make a DC miniseries. I loved your work on Sentinels of Magic!
Eroom Nala
Member posted December 16, 2002 08:15 PM
That's OK. I know what the silly season is like and what with your recent move and keeping up with Promethea you probably don't have a lot of spare time on your hands right now.
Have you seen Miyazaki's Spirited Away released by Disney in the USA. It's only just now made it's way to Australia and gotten good reviews. I haven't seen it yet but the bits they've shown to advertise it certainly look intriguing. http://bventertainment.go.com/movies/spiritedaway/index.html
US site
Shame they did so little publicity for it in the US. It seems to have slipped in and out of the theatres before people were aware it existed.
Anyway Questions about Issue 12
Are the statues on Pages X and XI + XII your own original ideas or are they copies of something from ancient Greece, Rome etc. ditto the sword fight on the well of Page X. I've managed to find most of the sources of the Crowley images but what about the magic square on page XIX Is it from some of John Dees books?, ditto the woman holding torch etc on pg XX something from witchcraft books or? also eye in the triangle and that sigil next ot he bed on same page which appears to be repeated from page XIX, the strange star etc next to the nuclear sign on page XIX, the green star amidst the other stars on the same page.
Did you make up some of the Crowley images or were they all based on photographs. eg is the one of a young Crowley lying back in the grass on page VI an original drawing?
See http://www.angelfire.com/comics/eroomnala/12.html
for the ones I've found already.
Hope you can be of some help.
And by the way Merry Christmas.
Did you have fun doing original tarot cards based on Crowley/Harris deck.
Maybe you could put out a Moore/Williams III deck on the market. You only have to draw all the minor arcana to make a full deck
Merry Xmas etc etc.
Hope you have a great break
Alphonse Mucha
inspiration for Promethea Cover #23
I've just started reading a biography of the Czech born British playwright Tom Stoppard and in the first few pages are a few references to Mucha
A Czech 'futurist' manifesto published in 1913 declared...'Death To!...Alfonse Mucha [and] Prague setimentality (pg. 2)
and more sadly
In 1939 Alfons Mucha died. The artist who returned from Paris to Prague, not only to design the first postage stamps and banknotes for the new country in 1918, but to complete his monumental cycle of paintings on Czechoslovak history, The Slav Epic, was also one of the first to be arrested by the Gestapo when the Germans invaded Prague in March 1939. He was released shortly afterwards, but in poor health, and he died that July. The Germans, now occupying the country under the terms of a protectorate, knew the potential danger of a public funeral and banned Mucha's. (pg 3)
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I've done some annotating on Issue #1 but what is the animal on the rock on the first 3 panels of page 9?
The interior art from Issue #25 looks great even without color.
http://www.angelfire.com/comics/eroomnala/25.html
Eroom Nala
Member posted December 23, 2002 10:08 PM
sorry forgot to mention the Stoppard Biography is called
Double Act A life of Tom Stoppard by Ira Nadel (Methuen, 2002)
Congrats on Time.com calling Promethea one of the ten best comics of 2002
http://www.time.com/time/bestandworst/2002/comics.html
JHW3!
Member posted December 29, 2002 01:42 PM
hey there stafenkinder
other stuff coming from me...
metal hurlant #3 (short story written by jodorowsky) currently available
some more weapon x covers for marvel
five pages for inquisitor from verotik (currently available)
hellboy short story and cover to come later this year
a couple of contributions to alan moore tribute books
the cover to the alan moore/ ABC issue of comicbook artist magazine
and if it sees print, one page for action comics 800
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JHW3!
Member posted December 29, 2002 02:01 PM
hey there eroom
spirited away looks amazing but unfortunately haven't gotten the chance to see it. looks like i will have to wait for it on DVD. which is how i saw tezuka's metropolis. if you haven't seen that yet rush out and get a copy. it is absolutely stunning.
all of those statues in issue 12 are just stuff i made up to invoke the proper feel of the period. i'm sure there are some statuary or wall reliefs that are similar but i couldn't come across them in my research. same goes for the pottery style artwork of the flat black figures on that same spread.
all of that other stuff came from various sources such as books about witchcraft or symbology books. i couldn't begin to remember which ones came from where anymore. but anyway it all comes from stuff in my library.
yes, some of the crowley images are indeed made up as well but all based on something of his life that is known.
yeah, i had a lot of fun doing those tarot cards. especially since we decided to do them in a alternative cartoony comics style which is something unexpected for tarot images. maybe some day alan and i will do a proper deck.
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JHW3!
Member posted December 29, 2002 02:05 PM
hey there eroom
sorry i can't remember what the name of that lizard is. i got the reference for it from a book i have which depicts animals from all around the world. it is a very extensive book, almost six hundred pages or so.
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Eroom Nala
Member posted January 01, 2003 11:26 PM
Thanks for your replies.
hope you had a great Christmas and New Years.
I'm annotating Issue #2 now.
What is the source of the images on the carpet in Benny Solomons' office when he first summons the demons Marchosias and Andras ?
Issue 2 Page 4
Thanks
Eroom Nala
Member posted January 02, 2003 08:03 PM
Issue #24
Another great issue from you and Moore once again.
Any specific reason why the snakes aren't coloured in on pgs. 12-13. It makes for a good effect but also gives the pages a slightly unfinished look as though the colorist didn't have time to paint the snakes blue.
Nice effect in the old Islam vs Christian Prometheas. Were these pages painted instead of drawn as they look that way. It's great to see how much effect you can produce using only 3 colors.
Looking forward to #25
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Eroom Nala
Member posted January 02, 2003 11:19 PM
between the publication of Issues #5 and #6 there appears to have been a title change to number 6.
In 5 it was announced as
Next: Amazing Grace
but when 6 was published the only titles you could choose from for it were
The Scheme of the Scarletine Sorceror or
The 5 Swell Guys in Firefight on 7th Avenue or
A Warrior Princess of Hy Brasil
I'm betting the proper title is
Warrior Princess but whatever happened to Amazing Grace? Did Alan Moore change his mind about the correct title between 5 and 6 appearing?
strafenkinder
Member posted January 03, 2003 02:03 AM
Thank you for replying Mr. Williams.
More power to you!
JHW3!
Member posted January 03, 2003 03:29 PM
hey there eroom
the snakes at the end of issue 24 are actually the way they look now. if you will notice the line around them is dulled and they are putting off a white glow. after all she has been to heaven and so have the snakes so we thought it appropriate for them and all of her energy fx and glowing floating stars to now be white, the dominant color of kether.
the symbol you are refering to in issue 2 i pulled from somewhere but i can't remember at the moment. its a fancy design of a pentacle.
i'm not sure why the end of issue 5 says amazing grace versus the actual title. to be honest i never gave it much thought.
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JHW3!
Member posted January 03, 2003 03:34 PM
hey there eroom
i just realized that you are referring to the page design in issue 24 with the snakes. yes i meant for it to be that way as well. just flat white. it has an almost clean feeling to it.
also, yes, those flash back sequences were painted by me. glad you liked them.
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davidbrust
New Member posted January 07, 2003 01:20 PM
JHWIII - did alan sign another 12 issue contract? can we expect to see 36 issues of promethea?
Eroom Nala
Member posted January 07, 2003 01:36 PM
I read somewhere that he only ever signs 12 issue contracts these days which means that since #25 is due out in February we can expect at least another 11 issue after that one.
I'm really hoping that it goes for at least 48 issues in total as long as Alan has enough ideas to fill up that many volumes.
36 issues would make 6 books and 48 would make it 8.
Here's hoping
Eroom Nala
Member posted January 07, 2003 05:49 PM
I suppose this is really a question for Alan Moore but maybe you can answer it too?
What year is it in Sophie's world now. Last caption we had was Summer 2000 (Issue #13) before she went off on he quest to talk to God in the Kabbalah issues. How long was she actually gone. That girl from issue #13 is pregnant now so some months at least but how many.
Someone wrote asking if 9/11 has already occured in Sophies world and I assumed that it had as one of the god bubbles in #23 showed a plane about to hit one of the WTC buildings
I'm just trying to get reassurances as to what year it is now in Sophie's world (2001-2002 or Jan/Feb 2003)?
Hope you can help
Eroom Nala
Member posted January 07, 2003 05:53 PM
Sorry by now I meant what year is it in the new issues. Presumabley #25 will mostly take place in the Immateria but if and when Sophie and Stacia return to their real world (#26 maybe?) what year will it be then. If Alan puts in a short caption then we'll know for sure
2001
2002
2003?
Eroom Nala
Member posted January 13, 2003 09:59 PM
Loved the interview you did for Ninth Art http://www.ninthart.com/display.php?article=473
except for learning that Promethea will end at Issue #32 but then I suppose all good things.....
Nice to know you are related to Hank Williams.
Could the H in your name stand for Hank?
Was your grandfather JH Williams the first?
Sorry these are personal questions not about Promethea.
Do you think you'll get a chance to work with Alan Moore again in future maybe on a mini series instead of a maxi-series this time?
Eroom Nala
Member posted January 14, 2003 05:15 AM
In Issue #5 did you get the image of the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse from some famous source or did you just make up the image yourself?
macleanalan
Member posted January 18, 2003 10:45 AM
Okay, after reading the Ninth Art interview I have a couple of questions for Mr JHW...:
Regarding the alteration in issue 24: was that just on the Pan and Selene page? I take it that (after alteration) it was meant to echo the following 2 pages, (unless those were altered too) but I must admit it wasn't quite what I was expecting at the time. Glad tp hear it'll be restored for the collection.
Also, you have a number of short projects lined up but I ws wondering if you have anything longer term lined up? Just wondering because I love your work on Promethea and it would certainly encourage me to buy a new series, though I'm looking forward to the LODK story as I love Seth Fisher too.
His art, I mean...
Cheers.
JHW3!
Member posted January 23, 2003 02:35 PM
hey there davidbrust
as you might have already heard, alan and i will be around on promethea until issue 32.
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JHW3!
Member posted January 23, 2003 02:43 PM
hey there eroom
all of the issues of promethea have been trailing our own time by a couple of years. so issue 25 will be in 2000 but the beginning of 26 will be in 2003.
the H isn't for hank.
yes, i'm sure at some point alan and i will do something together again but what will it be i couldn't tell you.
the 4 horsemen from issue 5 are my visual idea of them. it is not referenced from anything.
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JHW3!
Member posted January 23, 2003 03:13 PM
hey there macleanalan
only the selene/pan spread was altered and yes the altered version is meant echo the spread that followed it. it functions just fine this way but i feel the original will be better suited. it will be nice to see this restored.
about other long term series projects...i can't really say right now about the future. when something is more concrete i will post here.
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Tupelo Bound
Member posted January 23, 2003 03:40 PM
quote:
Originally posted by JHW3!:
hey there davidbrust
as you might have already heard, alan and i will be around on promethea until issue 32.
Hm. Does that mean that after Issue #32, someone other than Alan and you will be on PROMETHEA?
Cheers...
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macleanalan
Member posted January 23, 2003 07:43 PM
quote:
Originally posted by JHW3!:
about other long term series projects...i can't really say right now about the future. when something is more concrete i will post here.
Pretty much what I expected. Ah well, no harm in asking, eh?
Thanks for the response, hope to hear/see more from you soon.
JDC
Member posted February 23, 2003 04:10 AM
J.H.
In the Ninth Art interview, it's mentioned that some Promethea scripts are more than 100 pages!
Is this an accurate average, or have they been getting longer as the series becomes more complex?
Is there any chance that some or all of the Promethea scripts will be reprinted? I noticed that the forthcoming deluxe League of Extraordinary Gentlemen hardcover is reprinting all six scripts in their entirety. I will happily pay the $75 for this two-volume set, and I would pay even more for a Promethea script book. Could you see this happening?
JDC
Member posted February 23, 2003 04:12 AM
I doubt that every single issue of Promethea would take over 100 pgs to describe but then again who knows the From Hell scripts were pretty dense. It depends how many words is meant by one page.
I too would love to see the scripts of Promethea made public in properly published format but doubt that there would be enough readers willing to buy it to make it economically feasible.
LoEG has a huge readership and sells out pretty quickly while Promethea doesn't exactly fly off the shelf.
Are there enough Promethea fans out there willing to buy the complete scripts to even the first 6 issues?
Looks like #25 will be delayed. It wasn't in the first look issues due out on the 26th Feb although Wildstorm still has it coming out on this date.
Any editorial changes to the contents of this one cause the delay?
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Eroom Nala
Member posted March 11, 2003 07:59 PM
As Rutger Hauer said so memorably in Blade Runner
"Yes. Questions"
Specifically to do with Issue #25 this time.
On pgs 12-13 is the music a famous tune or just a made up one?
On page 14 who is the snoring bearded figure supposed to be? Alan Moore in the Immateria?
Characters I am uncertain of at the trial and on the cover
COVER first:
left most figure besides Medusa?
Is the Islamic woman supposed to be Scheherezade, the large eye creature?
On the right the man with his finger pointing upwards (is he from Little Nemo?) also the chimplike figure with the cigar, the little girl besides Red Riding Hood and the woman above the pointing man
Inside pg 2
Is the Blue haired man Austin Osman Spare?
the woman above Munchausen? the clown faced figure? pg 3 cigar man again?
Is that JK Bangs in non ghostly mode?
pgs 14-15 praying mantis grasshopper is from where? also the cartoonish figure besides him and the figure in the purple vest?
Hope you can help with some of these
vorlon
Member posted March 13, 2003 01:29 PM
Quick methods question, JWH3,
When you're doing art for an issue, do you normally do your artwork sequentially through an issue?
How did you work the backgrounds for an issue like Chokmah (21?) where you did some of the background art as well? Did you do the backgronds first, then pencil?
Computers being what they are you could have conceivably done the background art separately and inserted it behind the finished inks and colors.
Bavarian
Member posted March 13, 2003 06:28 PM
On page 3, the old lady between Margaret and the octopus, is she taken from Gerald Scarfe's cartoons for Pink Floyd's "The Wall"?
And on page 6/7, the double movement of Ball/Breughel and the singer from left to right is ingenious.
Eroom Nala
Member posted March 13, 2003 09:14 PM
It could be but to my eyes she looks more like the Ugly Duchess from Alice in Wonderland. However I'll still add your suggestion to my annotations.
quote:
Originally posted by Bavarian:
On page 3, the old lady between Margaret and the octopus, is she taken from Gerald Scarfe's cartoons for Pink Floyd's "The Wall"?
And on page 6/7, the double movement of Ball/Breughel and the singer from left to right is ingenious.
JHW3!
Member posted March 15, 2003 02:05 PM
hey there jdc
in the interview i was meaning for that to be more clear. early on in the series scripts were just about that much text. after alan settled in and was more comfortable in my ability, the panel description became much, much shorter. occasionally i will still get a long winded description when he is setting up a new scenario or if what he is describing really needs to be broken down heavily for the artist understand to fully what he means.
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JHW3!
Member posted March 15, 2003 02:36 PM
hey there eroom
yes the music is an actual composition. todd klein found it but for the life of me i can't remember what he said it was. i do know that it is something old and therefore public domain.
yes that is a cartoon alan snoozing next to those shrubs along the yellow brick road. i thought he looked sooo cute sleeping there i couldn't resist drawing him in.
the figure left of medusa is someone i made up. just a denizen of the immateria who looks like he stepped out of little nemo.
yes about the islamic woman
the eye creature is my reference to some of the old jim starlin comics that i used to read when i was a kid. like the old captain marvel and adam warlock comics. those always had a big influemce on me because of the way that he would portray cosmic psychedelia.
the man pointing his finger is john kendrik bangs drawn winsor mccay style.
the character with the cigar is another ref to little nemo. as well as the character sitting next to red riding hood. that is supposed to the little boy from little nemo but got colored here in a way that made him look more like a little girl. that was not the intention.
all of the women above the pointing kendrik bangs are grace, bill, and margaret with little margie.
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yes that is austin spare
the woman above the baron is just another random denizen of the immateria. same for the clown faced figure. the cigar man again is supposed to be the same guy on the cover but for some reason he is colored differently here.
yes that is kendrik bangs but he is miscolored here. there seems to be lots of little color discrepancies doesn't there?
prey mantis man is just something made up that i was using as something you might see out of an old b rated sci-fi movie. the other characters you mention are just more random immateria denizens.
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JHW3!
Member posted March 15, 2003 03:01 PM
hey there vorlon
yes i draw the pages in sequence. i feel that this gives the art a certain flow to it that seems natural.
issue 22 the chokmah issue...
the entire chomah sequence was hand painted by me on the boards themselves including the figures. those figures art not digitally colored. we didn't use any digital effects for that entire sequence except for on the big bang page and i did those myself as well.
the other painted issue , issue 19, the impressionist painted fatherland. was done with figures and painting all on one board as wel. i drew the figures. then mick inked them and masked them off. then i painted around them. removed the masking and did final touch ups. then jeromy digitally colored to figures.
the other issue that has a painted feel is issue 17, the gold issue. that sequence i penciled the figures then mick inked them and then i drew all of the backgrounds in fully rendered pencil. placing all of the shadows fully realized. like painting with a pencil and then jeromy digitally colored the figures and digitally changed the fully renderd backgrounds into smooth colors. giving it that very soft feel that it required. the cover to that issue was done in the way.
i feel that we ended up with 3 very unique looks that worked in way that hasn't been seen before in painted style comics. i figured if we are going to tackle painted looks then lets do it unconventionally so we can see something new and fresh compared to what has been done before elsewhere. so the end result was to have three painted looking issues but keep them distinctly different from each other in look and feel.
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JHW3!
Member posted March 15, 2003 03:06 PM
hey there bavarian
yes the woman is my composite refernce to both of the things you mention. thank you kindly for the compliment about the concert scene. that is my favorite spread in the whole issue and it took bloody forever to figure out and draw it properly. and it was perfectly colored by jeromy as well.
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hangmanjury
New Member posted March 17, 2003 01:56 PM
Hi, JHW3!
Only discovered this message board a couple days ago, but I've collected every Promethea HC that's come out, and I have to say your work is really amazing. Best comic book out there today, no doubt about it.
My question is, because Promethea is ending on issue 32, when will the next HC be distributed and will it contain 6 issues or 7?
Eroom Nala
Member posted March 17, 2003 05:05 PM
If you bought or looked through a copy of Issue #25 you would see on the last page that this is the end of book four so the answer is that Book 4 will contain 7 issues.
As to when Book 4 is released I'd like to know that myself
Eroom Nala
Member posted May 18, 2003 07:43 PM
Dear JH Williams.
Apparently this board will be closing down in a few days.
If you manage to read this before it closes could you let us know if you would be able to answer more Promethea questions elsewhere concerning the last 7 issued that are still to be published
I hope your family crisis has resolved itself or improved.
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vorlon
Member posted May 19, 2003 01:18 PM
Seconded.
