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Let's put all of the JH questions in one thread. I'll start:
What does the "H" stand for?
How long do you think Promethea will last?
Thanks!

Oraknabo
Member posted March 05, 2002 12:34 PM
I've heard Alan gives volumes of information per panel, but how much of the overall design is in the script and how much do you contribute?
JHW3!
Member posted March 06, 2002 11:45 PM
first off the "H" is my own little mystery, heh.
the design stuff goes basically like this...alan has seen how much of a design layout artist that i am and that i like to do things strangely whenever i can, rather than conventional comics but without losing the sense of storytelling. a very tricky thing i assure you. so, because he loves what i do he will feed me ideas for me to interpret the way i see fit. sometimes i take his suggestions and other times i go way off and do something entirely different than what he puts down. so i guess it is safe to say that right now it is 65%-me and 35%- alan. if you are ever inclined to check out previous things i've done you will definitely notice the design stuff there but some of it isn't as out there as what i'm doing on promethea. but there are few things that are just as weird one example is CHASE issue 1 MILLION. check it out if you can track one down. the other thing i should mention is that in the whole quest thing jumping from one art style to another for the different spheres was all my insanity coming into it.
thats it.
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Oraknabo
Member posted March 07, 2002 09:59 PM
Thanks JHW.
I have looked at some issues of Chase, but not the 1 million. I'll definitely track it down.
One more question. Why were your entries in the ABC sketchbook mostly finished pieces? Not to complain really, they were very nice, but I would like to have seen a little more behind your creative process.

JoeKinski
Member posted March 08, 2002 07:11 PM
To J.H. - Good to see you around these boards. It's nice to have a creator listening to you. I had a question regarding some of your inspirations. On another thread you mentioned that ish 19 was fun for you because of your love of Van Gogh and the impressionist school of art. What other schools of art/artists do you enjoy? And in line with that .. what comci book artists as well inspired you to your style? I admire your clean line work quite a bit. Thanks for listening. -- Joe
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JHW3!
Member posted March 09, 2002 02:02 AM
hello there
the sketchbook pieces actually were created specifically for that book. the reason for that is kind of funny because i really don't have design sketches laying around. almost all of the designing is done right on the boards as i draw the pages, so there is almost no extra unseen thought process stuff. as a matter of fact all of the chapter head drawings that appear as previously unseen drawings in the collected editions are actually done by me specifically for those collections as well. i find it easier on my brain to just go for it as i work on the actual pages.
i enjoy wide ranges of art styles as you probably have guessed by what i'm doing in promethea. besides the impressionism i like nouvou, deco, pin up, just a ton of stuff. there is so much appreciation in me of all forms of art that it is really impossible for me to pinpoint things. i suppose at some point just about a little of everything will creep into my work. it is interesting that you really like the clean line that i put into my work because i am attempting to try some rougher looking styles on some other projects. i find that rougher styles can be very invigorating. there is a certain fluidness and emotion in them that i find very appealing. i am very intrigued about letting the imperfections show. by allowing that the art to me starts to become passionate and even more beautiful. take european comic artists for example. like mobius' blueberry material or jose gonzelez's vampirella work or enki bilal's nikopol trilogy just to name a few. it is all brilliant to me and is something i want to explore more in my work. but at the same time i am very interested in cartooning styles. i am currently working on developing some cartoon style material. also i am getting more into the writing side of things. in the past i've co-plotted all of the CHASE material and the DEO secret files short stories. all of this i have done with my writing partner d. curtis johnson and we are working on some other projects that will be out sometime in the near future as well. sorry i went on a tangent here.
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Invisigoth
Member posted March 09, 2002 02:47 PM
If the "H" is your own little mystery, would you tell an ignorant savage like me what the "J" is an abbreviation for?
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JDC
Member posted March 09, 2002 06:32 PM
I believe that the "J" stands for Jim.
JHW3!
Member posted March 10, 2002 07:34 PM
YES IT IS JIM. FUNNY TID BIT...IN THE FRENCH MAGAZINE TITLED EKKLIPSE I WAS REFERED TO AS JOHN FOR SIX PAGES OF AN ARTICLE THAT THEY HAD SPECIFCALLY WRITTEN ABOUT MY WORK. GO FIGURE WHERE THEY CAME UP WITH THAT BECAUSE IT WASN'T FROM ME. I HOPE THAT THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT THEY WERE TALKING TO SOMEONE ELSE!!!!
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ged JDC
Member posted March 12, 2002 06:13 AM
What is the name of the artist you cite on the cover of issue #20? It looks like "Richard Upton Pickman." I have no idea who he is. Could you tell us a little about him and why you chose his style for the cover?
The Mirrorball Man
Member posted March 12, 2002 06:25 AM
quote:
Originally posted by JHW3!:
I HOPE THAT THEY DIDN'T THINK THAT THEY WERE TALKING TO SOMEONIP: LogE ELSE!!!!
I really like your score for Star Wars, by the way.
JoeKinski
Member posted March 12, 2002 12:26 PM
quote:
Originally posted by JDC:
What is the name of the artist you cite on the cover of issue #20? It looks like "Richard Upton Pickman." I have no idea who he is. Could you tell us a little about him and why you chose his style for the cover?
Hey! Isn't that the artist from Lovecraft's short story Pickman's Model? -- Joe
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JHW3!
Member posted March 12, 2002 10:33 PM
YES IT IS DEFINITELY "RICHARD UPTON PICKMAN" AND YES THAT IS THE ARTIST FROM LOVECRAFT'S STORY. SINCE THIS ISSUE HAS TO DO WITH THE ABYSS WE THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE FUN TO USE AN IMAGINARY ARTIST FOR THE COVER REFERENCE. QUITE APROPRIATE I FEEL CONSIDERING THAT THE ABYSS TENDS TO DEAL WITH THINGS THAT THAT DO NOT PHYSICALLY EXIST IN THIS WORLD. YOU WILL SEE WHAT I MEAN WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE TO READ THE ISSUE AFTER PUBLICATION.
ITS VERY COOL THAT YOU GUYS PICKED UP ON THE NAME REF SO QUICKLY.
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JDC
Member posted March 13, 2002 03:08 AM
Joe and Jim, thanks for informing me about Pickman. The "Pickman's Model" story is available online.
I always look forward to seeing Promethea's next cover image and trying to figure out what the interior will look like. I'll admit that this one's got me stumped. Let's hope the Abyss isn't full of imaginary monsters like Grendel or Cthulu...
Stately Wayne Manor
Member posted March 16, 2002 12:31 AM
So JHW, any hope of seeing you and DCJ doing Chase again? Loved that book, one of my all time faves. ------------------
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JHW3!
Member posted March 16, 2002 04:39 PM
HEY THERE
DAN AND I BOTH HAVE BEEN WANTING TO DO A MAJOR PROJECT WITH CHASE FOR AWHILE AND DC SEEMS TO INTERESTED IN MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT. WHETHER IT WILL ACTUALLY HAPPEN IS ANYONE'S GUESS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE AWARE OF THIS BUT DAN AND I HAVE BEEN WRITING DEO/CHASE SHORT STORIES FOR THE SECRET FILES BOOKS. THERE WERE STORIES ALL THROUGH LAST YEARS SECRET FILES BOOKS AND I EVEN MANAGED TO DRAW THE JOKER ONE (CAME OUT PRETTY COOL I THINK). WE ARE ALSO DOING THE SAME FOR THIS YEARS SECRET FILES BOOKS. BUT YEAH WE WOULD DEFINTELY LIKE TO SOMETHING MORE SUBSTANTIAL WITH THE CHARACTERS SOMEDAY. KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN FOR OTHER STUFF THAT DAN I ARE WRITING TO TOGETHER. THERE WILL LOTS OF COOL STUFF COMING IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
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Stately Wayne Manor
Member posted March 16, 2002 05:19 PM
THAT'S GREAT! I'LL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT!
...sorry, couldn't resist...
I've been picking up the Secret Files whenever there's a more than one or two page Chase appearance within (limited disposable income here, you know) so I think I've been following along pretty well. But you're right, I'd love to see something more substantial and it sounds like it's on the way! Thanks again...
Grubbug
Member posted March 19, 2002 01:01 AM
yo J.H. i been wondering for a while if you use models for your art? it looks to me like sophie and some of the other charecters have real peopel they are based on.. but some of your work is so full of imagination it has to be jsut made up. so i was wondering how much you refference and use models.
Late!
WeepingGorilla
Member posted March 20, 2002 05:13 PM
I posed this question in another thread, not realizing you had specified this thread for questions: I’ve really enjoyed some of the innovative layouts you and Alan have come up with. Would you ever consider doing an online Promethea comic, a la Scott McCloud? Some of the Promethea issues seem natural for that medium, expecially the wraparound issues like #12.
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JHW3!
Member posted March 20, 2002 11:10 PM
hey there grubbug
actually i do not use any models or photo reference for any of the characters that i draw. the only time i will ref is if what i'm drawing i have never drawn before and then usually whence i have drawn it i don't need to ref it much anymore. i've got a kind semi photographic memory. i can remember how things are supposed look such as body language and light source. also i am very good at imagining the way things look from different angles.
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JHW3!
Member posted March 20, 2002 11:14 PM
hey weeping gorilla
we actually have never considered doing promethea online. the thought does intrigue me though from an experimentation view. but alan and i are both very interested in the actual printed page and what we can do with that.
maybe at some point in the future i will try something online with a different project.
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Grubbug
Member posted March 22, 2002 03:43 AM
i gotta get me one of these photographic memory things!
Late!
Tupelo Bound
Member posted March 22, 2002 09:54 PM
quote:
Originally posted by JHW3!:
HEY THERE
DAN AND I BOTH HAVE BEEN WANTING TO DO A MAJOR PROJECT WITH CHASE FOR AWHILE AND DC SEEMS TO INTERESTED IN MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT. WHETHER IT WILL ACTUALLY HAPPEN IS ANYONE'S GUESS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE AWARE OF THIS BUT DAN AND I HAVE BEEN WRITING DEO/CHASE SHORT STORIES FOR THE SECRET FILES BOOKS. THERE WERE STORIES ALL THROUGH LAST YEARS SECRET FILES BOOKS AND I EVEN MANAGED TO DRAW THE JOKER ONE (CAME OUT PRETTY COOL I THINK). WE ARE ALSO DOING THE SAME FOR THIS YEARS SECRET FILES BOOKS. BUT YEAH WE WOULD DEFINTELY LIKE TO SOMETHING MORE SUBSTANTIAL WITH THE CHARACTERS SOMEDAY. KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN FOR OTHER STUFF THAT DAN I ARE WRITING TO TOGETHER. THERE WILL LOTS OF COOL STUFF COMING IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
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You'd think that it wouldn't cost too much for DC to collect these, have someone slap together an intro... who knows?
Cheers...
(quick technical question -- does anyone know anything about the reprint rights that DC grants... are they first time print rights only? do reprints require the payment of royalties? is there a flat rate up front or is it more of a sliding thing? or is it negotiated differently depending on the project/artist/writer?)
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JHW3!
Member posted March 23, 2002 01:59 PM
dc generally pays royalties of an agreed to percentage for the duration of publication of the reprint material. the percentage is of course much greater if the creators own the material in question. there probably is some sort of publishing rights time frame involved in creator owned material but i'm not sure what that time frame is. so there is the possibility of making some extra bits of money over a long period of time as long as there is demand for said reprint material to keep it in print.
yes dan and i would love to have a collection of all of the chase material put together. or at least the first 8 issues. we think that there is definitely a market for it. if this is something you would like to see please feel free to start sending in those letters to dc and demanding that this happen. the only way the company will do it is if they know the readers want it. so write mike carlin and make your case if you want to this. dan and i want to push this as well and if we ever get to do our next big idea with the characters this will help in making a collection happen as well.
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Food Eater Lad
Member posted March 23, 2002 09:51 PM
For what its worth, i loved the Chase series. I wish you could convince DC to let you continue it or even better, do A Justice Experience series.
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Thanks for the info, J.H.
Cheers...
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there's just God when He's drunk..."
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JHW3!
Member posted March 28, 2002 02:36 PM
you are more than welcome. if anybody has a question about something please continue to ask.
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Food Eater Lad
Member posted March 28, 2002 09:32 PM
So i take it there are no plans for a Justice Experience Comic?
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hermes
Member posted March 28, 2002 10:14 PM
This probably isn't the kind of question you were expecting. Back in #15, just after entering Hod, Barbara and Sophie encounter a magic square. Near the center of the square is what seems to be the number 25. While it's possible, with a 25 in that spot, to fill in the parts of the square not seen by the reader and get a magic square, a more symmetrical magic square is possible if the number 29 is put there. (A square with the same sort of symmetry appears in #12 on the page devoted to trump 19.)
So, is that 25 an artistic "typo"?
JHW3!
Member posted March 29, 2002 08:04 PM
yes dan and i would love to do a justice experience series someday. believe it or not we had to come up with an entire history and play by play of what actually happens to each of those characters in order for them to seem legit in the little bit that they appear in CHASE. hopefully we will tell their story someday.
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Member posted March 29, 2002 08:17 PM
yes that is a real magic square that alan came up with. even though we can't see it in it's entire form because of layout and perspective and shadow the numbers go like this....
8- 58- 59- 5- 4- 62- 63- 1-
49- 15- 14- 52- 53- 11- 10- 56-
41- 23- 22- 44- 48- 19- 18- 45-
32- 34- 35- 29- 25- 38- 39- 28-
40- 26- 27- 37- 36- 30- 31- 33-
17- 47- 46- 20- 21- 43- 42- 24-
9- 55- 54- 12- 13- 51- 50- 16-
64- 2- 3- 61- 60- 6- 7- 57-
see if this works for you
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JHW3!
Member postd March 29, 2002 08:21 PM
sorry that the numbers don't line up. they did when i typed them in but the message board editing program took them out of allignment. you get the picture anyway.
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Food Eater Lad
Member posted March 30, 2002 04:02 AM
JH as a comic geek and proud of it, you have made my day. Any chance you can tell me more about the characters? And in Martian Manhunter John was supposed to be one of the characters incognito, does this jive with your Justice Experience plans?
thanks!
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JDC
Member posted March 31, 2002 01:46 AM
J.H., what do you consider to be the appropriate minimum age for a Promethea reader?
I'm asking because I once gave Promethea 1, 4 and 5 to a random 12- or 13-year-old girl (with her mother's permission, of course). I think #5 had the word "bull****" in it, but other than that, I'd consider most issues of Promethea to be PG-13 at best.
I'm pleased that the book does NOT carry a "for mature readers" label, but what's your opinion on this somewhat sensitive subject?
Tupelo Bound
Member posted March 31, 2002 02:37 AM
Umm... anyone want to give me a quick starter course on Magic Squares, Numbers, etc? Thanks. Cheers...
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hermes
Member posted March 31, 2002 04:04 PM
Thanks, JHW3. It looks like Moore started with a highly ordered square and noticed that it can be broken into 2x2 "building blocks" which can be rearranged to form an astronomical number of different magic squares.
Tupelo bound, a magic square is a square grid filled with consecutive numbers arranged in such a way the numbers along each row and column have the same sum. ( Some require the diagonals to add up too. )
A google search will turn up abundant resources. ( I think JDC found some good links in the discussion of #15. Unfortunately I can't access that thread. ) Martin Gardner devotes a chapter to magic squares in "The Second Scientific American Book of Mathematical Puzzles and Diversions".
Ample Man
Member posted April 01, 2002 03:52 PM
quote:
Originally posted by JHW3!:
you are more than welcome. if anybody has a question about something please continue to ask.
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Dear Mr. Williams,
Is there a lot of Winsor McKay influence in your work, or am I reading into it?
ample
JHW3!
Member posted April 01, 2002 10:32 PM
FOOD EATER LAD
we don't really have any plans to include other dcu characters into the justice experience story. it is very self contained and highly self absorbed so adding anything to it might make it too convoluted. actually the justice experience were not suppose to appear anywhere else outside of chase until we were able to tell their story correctly. there are certain events that would take place that we want to cover ourselves.
JDC
basically use your instincts when letting younger readers get into promethea. you can usually tell if they will be able to handle the material. so far as i know there has been no backlash to some of the more controversial imagery or writing. i think that some young teen agers can read this stuff without getting the wrong message. most people seem to see that we aren't being solacious or distasteful or gratuitous with any of the visuals. i do know though that alan really has dislike for labels of any kind. for me, they don't bother me so much as long as i'm not being censored on the actual material.
AMPLE MAN
yes i do love McKay's work. he most certainly is one of greatest visual story telling genius'. but i try not to intentionally allow any influences to creep in even though i know that they do. it is never intentional. i just try to go with my gut instincts when drawing the pages. whatever feels right at the moment.
Ample Man
Member posted April 02, 2002 03:54 PM
quote:
Originally posted by JHW3!:
JDC
basically use your instincts when letting younger readers get into promethea. you can usually tell if they will be able to handle the material. so far as i know there has been no backlash to some of the more controversial imagery or writing. i think that some young teen agers can read this stuff without getting the wrong message. most people seem to see that we aren't being solacious or distasteful or gratuitous with any of the visuals. i do know though that alan really has dislike for labels of any kind. for me, they don't bother me so much as long as i'm not being censored on the actual material.
I was re-reading the issue where the younger Barbara guides Promethea and Barbara around Heaven, and the dialogue includes a lot of "shift" characters instead of profanity. I thought that was odd, considering the theme of the overall work is so heavy that I would imagine anyone who continues to read it would not be negatively affected by a few choice words, or a couple of dozen choice words in her case. If the discretion is for the sake of the editorial policies, how did the whole sex issue get by? That issue made me squirm, but reading pound signs and ampersands for cursing reminds me of Krazy Kat or something.
ample
P.S. I'm afraid I see one element of McKay in almost every issue. Dividing the backdrop into panels as the characters walk through reminds me of Nemo coming down a staircase, or through an ice castle. Given McKay's exploration of subconscious "dream" adventures I really wondered if Alan weren't influenced by him as well. Now I know not to read into it too much. Thanks.
JDC
Member posted April 03, 2002 03:45 AM
J.H., what other artists do you think would be appropriate for Promethea? If I recall correctly, three other artists have drawn Promethea: Alex Ross, Charles Vess and Eric Shanower.
If you could assign artists for a Promethea annual or special, who would you choose? I think P. Craig Russell needs to draw a Barbara Promethea story...
JHW3!
Member posted April 06, 2002 02:33 PM
hey there ample man
you know i have never considered asking why we use "shift" letters for any of swearing. it probably is due to being a non mature readers label book, corporate red tape. the fact that we are editing the cussing but still allow other things to go through such as issue ten is most certainly contradictory in my opinion. i think i will ask alan about this because it really doesn't make much sense to me.
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JHW3!
Member posted April 06, 2002 02:45 PM
hey there JDC
so far i have absolutely loved what every other artist has done on the characters. as far as other interesting choices...p. craig russell most certainly but for some reason i picture him drawing bill or margaret promethea rather than barbara, i don't know why. i would love to see moebius or even bess do a version as well. i'm sure i could come up with some more interesting artists than that if i put my mind to it. steve rude would be a great choice for something as well. maybe his version of barbara would be quite nice. hmmmm
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sadowski
Member posted April 06, 2002 07:09 PM
JIM!!
I'd do it!!!
Steve
( knows what the H stands for...)
JDC
Member posted April 07, 2002 01:43 AM
Promethea--a book so good, other DC artists are volunteering to draw it!
JH, what does an Eisner award look like? And where in your house do you keep yours?
JHW3!
Member posted April 07, 2002 12:50 PM
hey steve
what a surprise to see you post here. haven't talked with you in a long while. i'll call you so we can have a proper chat. and yes i would love to see what you would do with the characters.
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JHW3!
Member posted April 07, 2002 12:55 PM
hey JDC
an eisner looks like a small roughly 6" by 7" plaque made of wood and a metallic golden metal. which is inscribed. i keep mine on a top shelf sitting next a muth original to keep me humble.
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Doselle YoungMember posted April 08, 2002 02:21 AM
Yo, JH.
Just wanted to drop you a quick line to say hello to you and the mrs. Hope all is swell and groovy, mister man.
Best wishes,
Doselle Young
JHW3!
Member posted April 08, 2002 10:24 PM
Doselle
hello to you too. we are are doing good. hope the same for you.
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JDC
Member posted April 12, 2002 08:54 PM
Alan Moore's scripts for Promethea are reputed to be very dense with description and specific instructions. How do you approach a Promethea script as an artist? What do you feel is your main contribution to Promethea?
Oraknabo
Member posted April 13, 2002 05:40 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Oraknabo:
I've heard Alan gives volumes of information per panel, but how much of the overall design is in the script and how much do you contribute?
Is there an echo in here?
quote:
Originally posted by sadowski:
JIM!!
I'd do it!!!
Steve
( knows what the H stands for...)
STEVE!!! Nice to see you here, Sad!
Okay, I rarely do this but PLEASE-PLEASE-PLEASE find a flashback or some other story that he can pencil for PROMETHEA or one of the ABC titles!
A.
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JDC
Member posted April 15, 2002 12:47 AM
quote:
Is there an echo in here?
Oops. I asked a question that's already been asked. Argh. Carry on as normal, thanks.
JDC
Member posted April 17, 2002 09:04 AM
J.H., what is the editorial atmosphere like on Promethea? How much interaction do you have with Wildstorm's editors? What role does Scott Dunbier play in assisting in Promethea’s production?
JHW3!
Member posted April 17, 2002 11:13 PM
hello there
scott dunbier is really a great editor because he cares very much about the projects he chooses to edit. on the abc line he is very much a behind the scenes editor. primarily because alan's projects tend to kind of self dictate, especially on promethea. everyone who works on promethea really digs what the series is about and therefore it tends to stay very motivated. i know from my end of things that i am constantly staying on top of getting the art done. so scott doesn't really have to call me much. i really couldn't tell you how the other books are handled editorally though. i do know that scott is very concerned about making sure that the production values are top notch and that the creators are happy with the end results.
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ChezFanny
Member posted April 19, 2002 08:49 AM
JH, would it be possible to get a select bibliography of the (I'm sure) copious sources you and Alan use for Promethea? Perhaps in a future issue's letter page or in one of the trades? I've long been interested in the subject matter presented therein, and am always looking for new material to read up on.
JHW3!

Member posted April 19, 2002 09:11 PM hey there chezfanny
i will look into seeing what we can come up with for you soon. when i do i will post it on these boards.
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chimaera14
Member posted April 19, 2002 11:50 PM
Hey JHW3! I was just wondering if you're still going to WonderCon? I'll be there tomorrow and look forward to maybe running into you if you do.
Oh yeah and can you comment on issue #21 at all? Read my thread about the cover and the Beast she's riding on (No, not the gay one from NEWXMEN, the one from the Book of Revelations!) This has REALLY got me jazzed! Can you give us any info at all about if it truly is the biblical "ten horns and seven heads" monster? I REALLY can't wait for this one since, like I said in that thread, the whole Whore of Babalon (I suspect Moore might be spelling it that way, the Crowley way) thing is one of my all-time favorite fictional concepts!
Oh yeah and one more thing, I thought it was kinda amusing that by the time the 3rd HC is released, there will have been 3 HCs collecting 6 issues apiece. I just thought that was cute and could possibly be considered a subtel Crowley homage itself. Whaddya think?
Food Eater Lad
Member posted April 20, 2002 12:21 PM
Hey,
I am wondering, what is Alan like in real life? Some say he is arrogant but i cant help thinking that he is more down to earth that you would think. I am sure the slavish fanboys would put off anyone. Anyway i am just curious.
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Tupelo Bound
Member posted April 22, 2002 12:29 PM
quote:
Originally posted by chimaera14:
(No, not the gay one from NEWXMEN, the one from the Book of Revelations!)
Hmmm... I never really saw Beast as homosexual... and I hope your comment here is in response to what he said in the latest issue, not use of the word "gay" to mean "stupid" or whatever. Cause that'd be stupid. Cheers...
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JHW3!
Member posted April 23, 2002 10:01 PM
hey chimera
yes i was wandering around aimlessly at wondercon having fun and spending way too much money. about issue 21...lets put it this way, i don't think you will be disappointed.
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JHW3!
Member posted April 23, 2002 10:07 PM
hey food eater lad
alan is absolutely not arrogant just very confident in his way of presenting himself and his knowledge. he is one of the most loving and caring people i have ever had the pleasure of calling my friend and yes he is quite more down to earth than you would realize. we speak on the phone about once or twice a week and have had wonderful and memorable conversations. one of these days my wife and i will actually go to england to visit with him face to face. hopefully some time soon.
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Oraknabo
Member posted April 24, 2002 04:11 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Tupelo Bound:
Hmmm... I never really saw Beast as homosexual... and I hope your comment here is in response to what he said in the latest issue, not use of the word "gay" to mean "stupid" or whatever. Cause that'd be stupid.
He out and out says in the new issue "In fact, I think I might be gay." I don't recall previous hints in that direction, but maybe I missed them.
ChezFanny
Member posted April 25, 2002 11:32 AM
Monday, April 22: I wake up at 3 am having dreamt of pi as both symbol and number in general, specifically as regards its correlation to stonehenge. I refresh my memory on the various myths and legends surrounding both, and satisfy myself in some regards while becoming utterly frustrated in others. Wednesday, April 24: I finally make it to my local shop to pick up Promethea #20.
Hot damn, I love this book.
Oraknabo
Member posted April 25, 2002 04:14 PM
Yeah, that's the first time I've seen Daath and Pi associated with each other. It's pretty brilliant.
WeepingGorilla
Member posted April 25, 2002 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by Oraknabo:
He out and out says in the new issue "In fact, I think I might be gay." I don't recall previous hints in that direction, but maybe I missed them.
Beast is straight. You have to read his “In fact, I think I might be gay” comment in context—Beast is blowing off an obnoxious ex-lover. He also says, “I’m not interested in dating a human right now,” which is clearly not a genuine statement of his feelings.
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Tim Buddy
Member posted April 26, 2002 12:23 AM
Hello J.H.
I am amazed by your style and vision. Promethea truly projects from the book and draws me into the story. When I receive new installments, I can always visualize were I left off in the previous issue. No other comic doze that for me. Keep it coming.
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Food Eater Lad
Member posted April 26, 2002 07:39 PM
Thats great to know JHW (about Alan that is)
Now my other question, does he (or you) believe in this mystical stuff, or is it just an exploration for a neat story. Either way , i am really enjoying this comic. I cant wait for it. IT is truly inspired. I can tell you are proud of it. As you should be.
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Oraknabo
Member posted April 26, 2002 08:48 PM
From interviews I've seen, there's no doubt that Alan believes in mysticism, but you have to understand that his definition of belief is probably very different from what you think it is.
Most mystics including Crowley and Yeats would tell you that to believe in something, like say a Holy Guardian Angel, you don't necessarily have to believe that it has any kind of autonomous existence outside of the human mind. It could have some sort of existence within a sort of collective consciousness, but wouldn't be required to "exist" in any scientifically proveable way. Hermeticists believe that all the universe is thought; that the things we call "real" are just thoughts in the mind of God and not drastically different than the thoughts we create in our own heads. When you consider that we might actually be parts of God then there's practically no difference at all.
So you can believe in things as a psychological reality which can be proven to have just as much effect on people, cultures and histories an anything "real".
Does it really matter if Jesus had an actual physical existence or not? The psychological reality of the idea of Jesus has motivated almost every kind of human action possible in both faith and rebellion wheter or not he was ever real.
How much difference is there between the lingering influence of something that once existed but no longer does and the influence of something that physically never existed at all? In your lifetime, and in your reality, they are equally as real.
JHW3!
Member posted April 26, 2002 10:45 PM
hey there tim buddy
thanks for the very kind words.
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Member posted April 26, 2002 11:01 PM hey there food eater lad
yes alan i both have a belief about this subject and the further we go into it the more we are convinced that there is really something to all of this. i do agree with oraknabo about the nature of belief and thoughts but i also do believe that thoughts can actually be influenced from outside powers that dwell beyond our understanding of existence. and that results can occur in our "physical" world due to these influences. its all a bit difficult to wrap around my mind and therefore just as difficult to fully explain what i'm thinking. i've just seen a program recently about esp research showing how thoughts can affect the processes of machines. it was very fascinating and really made me think about the influence thought itself has and the intent behind the thought can possibly affect our surroundings. therefore if a power or entity that exists outside of our known reality wishes to be acknowledged what better way to do this than projecting thoughts of it's own in order to create influence in us. for example if hermes wished to be known to us couldn't the very thought of him causing his creation in stories and art make him be realized in our existence? a notion to think about.
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Food Eater Lad
Member posted April 27, 2002 12:19 PM
As an athiest, i can help but say to your question that if Hermes wished to make himself known, all he has to do is show up. Love the comic.
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Oraknabo
Member posted April 27, 2002 08:22 PM
He does.
He just doesn't do it for atheists. It's part of his whole trixter aspect.
Food Eater Lad
Member posted April 27, 2002 11:34 PM
You think with his personality he would more othen then, just to bug us. Or would that explain the HUGE number of Jehovah's witnesses that come to my door?
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Food Eater Lad
Member posted April 28, 2002 12:22 PM
Sorry that should read." you would think with his personality, he would bug US more often than you, but then that might explain the HUGE amounts of Jehovah's Witness at my door "
Carry on
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Arakhtes
New Member posted April 28, 2002 01:22 PM
Hi J.H.
In your Ekllipse interview (the one where you are called John on the cover), you speak of the influence of some European SF comics. Could you tell us more ?
Congratulations for your beautiful art and always innovative storytelling. I'm French and I read mainly Franco-Belgian comics. Promethea is an exception and is well above the other titles, be they American or European. It is a pleasure to the eye and is always thought-provoking with its compelling story and elegant graphic construction.
Hey, you are one of my preferred artist ! When it comes to creativity, you are on a par with Andreas. Maybe, you know him. I think that one of his Rork story was published in the USA some years ago. Well, keep up the good work to make Promethea shine in the comics firmament.
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Hi J.H.
What is your final opinion of the Promethea and Sophie deluxe action figure set that you designed? i think it looks great, but wish that the wait wasn't soooo long
This isn't a criticism, but IMO, Sophie sorta looks like Janeane Garofalo
Best to the wife
Alex
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My review of 2001- the year, is the same as 2001 A SPACE ODYSSEY- It went on too long, it was hard to follow, and you could've only enjoyed it if you were really REALLY REALLY stoned
Minnelli said she chose the wedding party when she was drunk one night, and started throwing darts at THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER
- Lewis Black
JHW3!
Member posted April 29, 2002 10:06 PM
hey there nightwing
actually i am quite pleased with the figure set. yes sophie's face is a bit more round on the figure than the way she is drawn but i can take the sculptor's interpretation into consideration here. i love that they got the stances very naturally weighted like a real person (that was interpreted perfectly from the desogn drawings). sophie's stance looks really good but it is hard to tell from the photos used for the adds. in person she will look much better. photos of figures never do them justice for some reason. sorry you have to wait so long.
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JHW3!
Member posted April 29, 2002 10:29 PM
hello arakhtes
nice to here from a reader from europe. and thank you very much for the very kind words about my work. yes i am familiar with andreas. my influence of european artists has gone way back to when i was a teen. ever since my early discovery of artists like moebius, jose gonzalez, estabon maroto, manara, schuiten, altuna, berthet just to name a few, i have been in love with those types of sensablities. i have been very interested in applying some of this appreciation i have for that type of comics into my work on american comics. i feel that i am slowly achieving this. someday i hope to be more confident in these techniques. i am currently working on a short story written by jodorowsky for the new metal hurlant magazine from humanoids. in this story i am doing all of my own pencils and inks and attempting to get the type of look i find in european comics. right now it looks like a cross between bess and jose gonzalez. very organic looking. so it has a french meets spanish feel to it. hopefully the story will appear within one of the first five issues of metal hurlant. i am not sure when though so keep your eyes open for it. also hopefully it will have painted color by jose villarrubia.
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JHW3!
Member posted April 29, 2002 10:31 PM
that is supposed to "hear" not "here". oops.
Food Eater Lad
Member posted April 29, 2002 11:36 PM
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JDC
Member posted April 30, 2002 02:35 AM
J.H., why isn't there a profile of you on the Wildstorm website? Alan Moore, Mick Gray and Jose Villarubia have them--what are you hiding??
Also, will there be a new picture of you in the back of the third Promethea HC?
Finally, what kind of cookies does your wife bake? (They're good enough to mention in your biograpical blurb in the second HC).
Nightwing
Member posted April 30, 2002 03:03 PM
Hi J.H.
While looking through my art on Sunday, I came across apiece that has always puzzled me. It's by you and Mick. I think he sent it as a sort of bonus piece.
the title is C-23 Uprising. Where issue/month and page are, there are just yours and Mick's names. It's not the size of a regular piece of original comic art- the image is 5" by 7" on a piece of 10" square piece of paper- a trading card perhaps?
The character look's a lot like marvel's deathlok(but this is DC)he is leaping forward and there are doors closing behind him, you can just make out people's feet below.
It is dated '98. Any idea?
Proud owner of Batman #550 Page 25 and Promethea #2 page 3
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My review of 2001- the year, is the same as 2001 A SPACE ODYSSEY- It went on too long, it was hard to follow, and you could've only enjoyed it if you were really REALLY REALLY stoned
Minnelli said she chose the wedding party when she was drunk one night, and started throwing darts at THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER
- Lewis Black
JHW3!
Member posted May 04, 2002 05:43 PM
hey there jdc
its funny that you asked why my profile is on the website for wildstorm. its because i think they are all a bunch of wankers who love to talk about themselves. nah just kidding i love those guys. to be honest wildstorm had sent me a list of profile questions that i was just too lazy and procrastinated on answering them. now so much time has passed by that i would be way too embarrassed to hand them in now. i'm the wanker here!!!! besides it keeps me mysterious.
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JHW3!
Member posted May 04, 2002 05:49 PM
hey there nightwing
c-23 uprising was actually a collectable card game that i think jim lee created. mick and i did 2 different cards for it. but i don't think it was very successful as card games go because it didn't last very long. i have never tried to play it so i don't know if it was that fun or not. i like the milo manara card game. now that one is FUN!!!
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JHW3!
Member posted May 04, 2002 05:54 PM
hey there jdc
i forgot to tell you that yes there will be a new picture of me in the new collection. i think maybe i will try to have a different picture in each one just for the helluvit and to drive the designer crazy, heh.
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JDC
Member posted May 04, 2002 10:59 PM
J.H.,
With Spider-Man hauling in $40 million at the box office on its first day and the League Of Extraordinary Gentlemenmovie making progress, do you think a Promethea movie would be a good idea?
There was some discussion here about a Promethea film, and I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on possible directors, stars and styles for the potential movie. Could the screen even capture the feel of the book?
Nightwing
Member posted May 04, 2002 11:16 PM
I think Promethea would be better animated than live-action- a mixture of 2D and CGI
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My review of 2001- the year, is the same as 2001 A SPACE ODYSSEY- It went on too long, it was hard to follow, and you could've only enjoyed it if you were really REALLY REALLY stoned
Minnelli said she chose the wedding party when she was drunk one night, and started throwing darts at THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER
- Lewis Black
JHW3!
Member posted May 06, 2002 05:29 PM
i would love to see a promethea movie and there has been some talk of one occuring but you know how talk is. even though i personally would love to see a movie i do know that it probably wouldn't be much like the book. a certain depth would probably be missing and a lot of the magic stuff as well. with that being said i do feel that it could be quite visually stunning and still have enough to it that it could make people think about things. it would all depend on how the film makers
approached the concept. i do know i would prefer for it to be live action as opposed to animated. as far as casting and directing i couldn't really say who would approach the material well. maybe the guy who made unbreakable? he seems willing to put some risky and unsusual ideas on screen. or maybe ang lee, after seeing crouching tiger he most certainly could pull off some of the more poectic visual moments that tend to give people that certain tingly sensation. but the main reason i would love to a movie is just to see the idea of our promethea reach a wider audience. a little money couldn't hurt either.
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Food Eater Lad
Member posted May 06, 2002 07:19 PM
I would love to see Promethea as an HBO or Showtime series.
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Nightwing
Member posted May 06, 2002 08:20 PM
J.H.,
Could/would you continue to do Promethea without Mick?
Also, what do you think is your best issue/piece of work(by any company)?
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The original Nightwing: been here since day #1 of the boards and have been robbed of all my posts! quote:
My review of 2001- the year, is the same as 2001 A SPACE ODYSSEY- It went on too long, it was hard to follow, and you could've only enjoyed it if you were really REALLY REALLY stoned
Minnelli said she chose the wedding party when she was drunk one night, and started throwing darts at THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER
- Lewis Black
JHW3!
Member posted May 11, 2002 05:41 PM
hey there nightwing
i don't see mick wanting to quit working on promethea but if for some unfathomal reason he wanted to quit i personally would hate to see that happen. but if it was to happen i would still stay on promethea myself. i have already decided a long time ago that i will stay with promethea all the way to the end, whenever that comes, no matter what. i do not like to leave projects until they are appropately finished even if something more attention getting or better paying is offered to me. i never give up on something before it is time for a proper farewell. i feel that it cheapens the material and sends a bad message to all of the loyal readers of that project.
so far i would have to say that my favorite run is the current arc in promethea and my favorite issue so far of this arc is issue 19. i chose that issue primarily because i feel i proved to myself that i could actually do an impressionism painted issue and make it work to my liking. it has allowed to feel more confident in some of the things we are going to try in upcoming issues.
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Nightwing
Member posted May 11, 2002 10:15 PM
Thanks J.H.
may I just add that I think you and Mick make the best art team out there, and would hate to see ya split up.
Donster without the The
Member posted May 20, 2002 12:17 AM
Hi JHW3 and everyone else reading this thread. Promethea is one of my favorite comics nowadays. I've only read up to #12 or 13 and am stocking up on issues to read instead of being caught up as each one comes out. I'd love to see a Promethea special with stories drawn by other artists or occasional guest artists on the series. I agree with the P. Craig Russell and Steve Rude suggestions as artists for Promethea and would also like to see Adam Hughes, Jose Luis Garcia Lopez, John Paul Leon, Alan Davis, Steve Lightle and Brian Bolland. Not that I want JH and Mick off the book too often.
JHW3, if you weren't drawing Promethea and couldn't do more Chase, which series would you like to work on? I can picture you on Batman, Birds of Prey, Hawkman, JSA, Wonder Woman, Deadman, Doctor Strange, Nick Fury, Cloak and Dagger, Captain America, Deathlok and Master of Kung Fu. Speaking of that last title, did you like the art of Gene Day? Your style reminds me of his a bit without looking swiped/homaged/influenced by it.
JHW3!
Member posted May 22, 2002 10:14 PM
hey there
yes, when i was younger i definitely loved gene day's work. i find it is interesting that some of my work reminds you of his. i never realized how much he might have influenced my perceptions of comics art until i read your post. his work was always fascinating to me.
out of your list of possible characters for me to put my touch to...
i would love do something more with batman someday
a shot at deadman, deathlok, doctor strange, nick fury are all characters i would really get into. i would also love doing something with captain marvel, killraven, captain america, doctor fate, adam strange, adam warlock, and i'm sure a whole lot of other characters that i can't think of at the moment. however i should mention here that i'm currently co-writing a batman project along with my partner d. curtis johnson. the artist for this will be seth fisher whose work i find absolutely amazing.
also i'm pegged to do a short story with harlan ellison for an undislosed dc project.
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vorlon
Member posted May 23, 2002 02:43 PM
You seem to be either writer or artist, but not both.
Is that intentional?
JHW3!
Member posted May 23, 2002 11:06 PM
hey there vorlon
actually i am both. all of the chase series was co-plotted/co-written by me as well as handling the art. in the secret files short stories that i have been co-writing i handled the art chores for the joker short story that appeared in joker's last laugh secret files. there are some other projects in the pipeline that will be handled in the same way where i am co-writing and drawing. also i am quietly working on a very experimental project that will probably be published through independent means that i am doing absolutely everything myself. it won't be out for a few years because it is very large in page count. i like getting involved in the process of writing the stories or having some sort of influence on how things turn out in the way a story is being told. on promethea i tend to throw my ideas to alan about things i want to try for visual flow of certain issues which in turn affects the way he tells his story. he definitely likes the fact that i just don't sit there and draw what he dictates. alan loves the creative feedback. for example, the whole quest storyline currently going on having each realm be handled with different art styles and mediums was something i wanted to try. i thought it would help greatly on the atmosphere and feel of each sphere being different from each other. alan ran with this and fed it right back to me in the scripts. basically i said which issue i wanted to do such and such style or medium before he wrote it and then that inlunced how to tell the story. anyway, you get the idea of what i want to do creatively.
sorry that was so long. i get on rants every now and then.
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JHW3!
Member posted May 23, 2002 11:16 PM
hey there vorlon
i just thought i should also mention that the reason why some stuff i only end up co-writing on is because i actually can't find the time to draw every story even though every story that i have co-written i wish could have drawn. unfortunately there just isn't enough time in the day. so instead sitting on the story for god knows how long we just find other people to draw them. on the secret files short stories we really ddin't have any control over who drew them. but with this batman project we hand picked seth fisher for that. we were given more control for that project which is something we are going to push for from now on.
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JHW3!
Member posted May 23, 2002 11:23 PM
thats "influenced" not "inlunced" i'm such a dork, heh.
strafenkinder
Member posted May 24, 2002 02:17 AM
heh, you are not a dork, JWH
YOU ARE A DEMI-GOD!
Apollo
Member posted May 31, 2002 11:33 AM
Hey JWH,
I don't know if this has been asked and answered already; forgive me if it has.
I'm wondering what the size and format of your original art is. Since so much of it is double-page, do you work on boards which are twice the usual size, or two boards together, or what?
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Originally posted by JHW3!:
i would also love doing something with...killraven,... and i'm sure a whole lot of other characters that i can't think of at the moment.
Well, that sounds like a hell of a good idea to me!
feel free to push hard for this any and every time you're around Quesada & co. Anything I can do to help, just let me know!
That is, unless you'll be working on Chase. That takes precedence over anything else in my little world!
JHW3!
Member posted June 01, 2002 02:52 PM
hey there apollo
most of the original art pages in promethea are 2 pages put together to form the right size for a double page spread. double page spreads are usually handled in this way because it makes it easier for scanning in the production process that everything goes through before going to the colorist or the printer.
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JHW3!
Member posted June 01, 2002 03:01 PM
hey there stately wayne manor
so you are sounding like a big killraven fan. very cool. that has always been one of my favorite characters and i think he still has a lot of untapped potential for some great stories. the more i think about it the more i want to tackle this character visually and in the writing. so exactly what would you do to help out on making this happen? what are you suggesting? i'm pretty sure that dan johnson and i as writers could come up with something really great for a story. but i do know that i couldn't actually work on somehting like this for 2 years or so because of all of the other stuff already in the pipeline.
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Stately Wayne Manor
Member posted June 02, 2002 07:31 PM
It's true. I am a big Killraven fan, have been since my teenage years, when the darn things came out. But unfortunately about the only thing I can do to make it happen is write a letter to TPTB at Marvel. I'm just a ordinary guy, and I live 800 miles away from NYC. I was just being a little facetious. But if there was anything I could do, rest assured I would do it...I think you, Mick and D.C. could be one of the few creative teams that could do justice to McGregor & Russell's vision.
Keep up the great work, fellas!
JHW3!
Member posted June 02, 2002 08:42 PM
hey there stately
thank you for the vote of confidence in our abilities. i am very intrigued by the possibilities so i plan on talking to dan and see what he thinks about it. who knows maybe in the relatively near future we just might see a full sized killraven project from us if linsner doesn't do it first. his killraven one shot marvel knights issue showed he had love for the character. so he might have some plans of his own with marvel and that character that i haven't heard about.
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Archipelago
Member posted June 03, 2002 12:39 PM
Hi JHW3,
There has been some buzz over at the JSA boards regarding the DEO section of the SF&O books for the major DC Characters. Is there any chance of these smaller stories being reprinted in a single issue or tpb format or will we have to buy each book as it comes out?
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JHW3!
Member posted June 03, 2002 10:11 PM
hey there archipelago
dan and i would love to have a trade paperback collection to happen for those deo short stories. but with no current plans for there to be a collection of the original chase series i doubt that we will see it happen for those short stories. so i'm afraid you will have to track down the individual issues. there are several from last year (i even managed to draw the joker one) and there will be several this year as well. next year who knows.
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Donster without the The
Member posted June 04, 2002 04:47 PM
Alan Davis was supposed to do some kind of Killraven project, but he seemed to get tied up with more commercial projects like a stint on Avengers and the comic book adaptation of the Spider-Man movie. I don't know if he still plans to get around to or is working on Killraven.
JHW3!
Member posted June 07, 2002 10:36 PM
as much as alan davis would do a great looking killraven i'm hoping that he doesn't go ahead with it because i want to do it. some of ideas rolling around in my head are coming to formation. we'll see.
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Donster without the The
Member posted June 10, 2002 07:40 PM
JHW3, ya better give Joe Quesada a ding to see what's going on with Killraven.
Any idea of how many issues Promethea will run?
JHW3!
Member posted June 12, 2002 12:25 AM
hey there donster
promethea definitely has some time to go before we are all finished. exactly when that is i am not at liberty to say. so i can't confirm any possible answers to that question that may be floating around in the cosmos.
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Nightwing
Member posted June 13, 2002 06:47 PM
hi J.H.
while everyone's talking about Killraven, I was just wondering what your thoughts were on Joseph Michael Linsner's one-shot, if you got it, that is
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My review of 2001- the year, is the same as 2001 A SPACE ODYSSEY- It went on too long, it was hard to follow, and you could've only enjoyed it if you were really REALLY REALLY stoned
Minnelli said she chose the wedding party when she was drunk one night, and started throwing darts at THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER
- Lewis Black
JHW3!
Member posted June 15, 2002 06:15 PM
hey there nightwing
i found linsner's one shot version to be a real treat. nice character interaction and nice art as well. the only thing i would have liked to have seen is some sort of plot surprise from the old stories but i do understand why there wasn't considering it was a low page count one shot. not a lot of room for major developments. i kind of got the impression that it was a testing of the waters sort of issue to see if anybody was interested in these characters still. and from what i understand there still is. also it sold pretty well considering.
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Stately Wayne Manor
Member posted June 19, 2002 11:25 AM
No question this time, JHW, but I just wanted to tell ya that after seeing the preview of #21, I think it's the best art you guys have done in a long while. And it's been pretty damn good so far...
Here's a question, though-ever read Thriller? 'Ja like it?
JHW3!
Member posted June 23, 2002 05:28 PM
hey there stately
thanks for the very kind comment about the new issue. i am very pleased with the final result. i am currently putting the final touches on the next issue. i am doing 17 pages in it that are entirely done by me. except for the lettering. it should turn out just as distinctive as the new issue but in a completely different. the other seven pages are by the usual gang.
no i have never read thriller though i have heard of it. do you recommend it?
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Stately Wayne Manor
Member posted June 24, 2002 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by JHW3!:
hey there stately
no i have never read thriller though i have heard of it. do you recommend it?
Yes, I do, very much. Well, I recommend the first seven issues, anyway...they're by original creators Robert Fleming and Trevor Von Eeden, and while they certainly have their flaws, it was a book that was very much ahead of its time in regard to characterization and adventurous in its storytelling approach. When it failed, and it did fail sometimes, it at least failed memorably! And when it was on-oh, boy, it was, well, thrilling! You can skip the last five, they're by another creative team and are pretty bad. They shouldn't be too hard to find, and most likely won't cost more than a buck if you do.
The reason I asked was because of another conversation on another thread on the Other Vertigo Topics board. I was trying to think of creators (besides the originals) who could do justice to the concept in the unlikely event that someone should greenlight a Thriller revival, and among others, I thought of you, Mick, and DC Johnson. It would be difficult to do theis book right, but I think you three would be able to do it well...I just wondered if you were familiar with it.
WeepingGorilla
Member posted June 24, 2002 06:26 PM
Okay, obscure Promethea question. I’ve been working on annotations for Promethea, and in my research I’ve been reading biographies of Aleister Crowley. The biographies agree that he was a “bottom”, preferring the passive, receptive role in homosexual lovemaking.
Your rendition of the encounter between him and the poet Neuberg (damn, forgot how to spell his name) shows him taking the active, penetrative role. Was that your artistic decision, or was it specified in Moore’s script? Did you have a source describing Crowley deviating from his usual practices for this working, or did you choose this position to depict Crowley as the dominant personality in the relationship? I’m not criticizing, just puzzling over the meanings.
JHW3!
Member posted June 24, 2002 11:12 PM
hey there stately
i will definitely keep a look out for those thriller issues you mentioned. also thank you for feeling that we could do it justice considering that you are attracted to that series.
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JHW3!
Member posted June 24, 2002 11:22 PM
hello weeping gorilla
that particular scene you are mentioning was specified by alan for crowley to be the "top". even though its been documented for crowley to be on the bottom he always had a pervasive personality and could be quite dominant. to be honest i'm not sure if alan has an actual document describing the accurate details of their pairing during the ritual. but from what i can gather alan was making a statement on crowley's dominance in that situation. i will see if i can find out if there are any hard facts about this or not. if i find out anything i will post it here.
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WeepingGorilla
Member posted June 25, 2002 12:03 PM
Thanks.
Peirigill
Member posted June 25, 2002 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by JHW3!:
hey there donster
promethea definitely has some time to go before we are all finished.
Yay!
Just to add a word about the Choronzon summoning... Crowley (the fictional one) did imply that they both had to "expend their wills." Maybe a ritual that powerful required both magicians to be penetrated in order to "become the magic."
I doubt dominance had anything to do with it. As both heteros and gay folks should know, the partner on the bottom can be quite dominant.
WeepingGorilla
Member posted June 26, 2002 01:39 PM
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Originally posted by Peirigill:
Crowley (the fictional one) did imply that they both had to "expend their wills." Maybe a ritual that powerful required both magicians to be penetrated in order to "become the magic."
Good insight. Maybe “expending the will” in Crowley’s system required a penile rather than a prostate orgasm. If Moore declines to comment, I’ll try asking an expert; there’s a piercer in my neighborhood who is apparently also a Thelemic practitioner.
On the other hand, given that Crowley’s plan seems to have been to summon Choronzon into himself rather than into Neuberg, I would have thought he would be the one requiring penetration.
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As both heteros and gay folks should know, the partner on the bottom can be quite dominant.
Very true, but IMHO the person in the top position seems dominant during sex. (As an aside, there’s a midrash that suggests that Adam’s first wife Lilith was cast aside because she climbed on top.) I could understand a writer or artist choosing that image to suggest the roles of each man in the relationship.
Peirigill
Member posted June 26, 2002 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by WeepingGorilla:
there’s a piercer in my neighborhood who is apparently also a Thelemic practitioner..
What's a Thelemic practitioner?
Am I old enough to know?
Oraknabo
Member posted June 27, 2002 10:44 AM
The "religion" Crowley practiced is called Thelema, based on his use of the statement "Do what thou will" as the primary law of Thelema.
The name comes from the fictional "Abbey of Thelema" mentioned in Rabelais's Gargantua et Pantagruel. In the novel, it is a utopian community named after the Greek word for will, with the motto ‘Fais ce que voudras’ (Do whatever you wish).
WeepingGorilla
Member posted June 27, 2002 06:13 PM
This particular Thelemite spotted me reading Sutin’s biography of Crowley while waiting for him to pierce my girlfriend’s bellybutton. Pleased, he produced Crowley’s “The Book of the Law” from a drawer beneath his autoclave--that’s the book Crowley first expounded “Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law” and “Love is the law, love under will”.
Curious, I asked him about Thelemites in Chicago. Apparently they hold the Gnostic Mass semiweekly; he invited me to drop by. Being unsure how to take that (the Gnostic Mass includes consuming the commingled sexual fluids of the priest and priestess who celebrate it, perhaps symbolically, perhaps literally), I declined, but I invited him out for some beers. I figure he’d be pretty interested in issue #22, so maybe I’ll drop by this week.